Fueled By Death Cast Ep. 27 - WAYNE LOZINAK

Hatebreed guitarist and bassist playing on stage


“The hardcore shows back then - there were so many of them and were just packed, and everybody just knew each other.” - Wayne Lozinak - guitarist Hatebreed


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Wayne Lozinak is the guitarist of the band Hatebreed, and he joins the podcast to discuss how he was there from the beginning and ended up leaving shortly thereafter. But life is funny, and he started working as a guitar tech, which inevitably led him back to his buddies in the band, and he now tours the world once again.



Jeff: So let's start where we always start, in the beginning. You actually started with the band when the band formed in the early '90s. I believe it was '94. Gosh.

Wayne: Yup.

Jeff: We're all getting old.

Wayne: 1994.

Jeff: We're all getting old.

Wayne: Yeah.

Jeff: Can you talk a little bit about what it was like starting a hardcore band in the early '90s at that point?

Wayne: Sure. It was actually Jamey, Jamey Jasta. He was in a band called Jasta 14, where he kind of gets his name from, and they were a pretty popular hardcore band on the East Coast from New Haven. And then he left that band, and then he wanted to start a new one. So it was like he'd already kind of had the name from ... just people knew him from ... Plus he booked shows and everything, so he was already pretty established in the local hardcore scene. And he got together ... There was another local band called Frost Bite, and the drummer of that band, Dave, who was the original drummer, they kind of put the band together and auditioned people and everything.
I mean, right off the bat, the people were ... Actually, Jamey had the name before he even had the band. I saw it on flyers, like, "Hatebreed playing." I was like, "Do they even have a band yet?" Nope. He really wanted to get this thing off the ground. But once it started, it was great. Especially the hardcore shows back then, it was like, there were so many of them every weekend and they were packed, and everybody knew each other, it was just fun and good times and just a great vibe all around with everybody.

Jeff: Yeah, we ... I actually grew up in the area, in upstate New York, and in that same timeframe we had kind of the same scene, and it was amazing being able to go to all those different shows and just ... Like you said, everybody knew each other and it was kind of like this whole camaraderie kind of thing.

Wayne: Yep. What clubs did you usually go to in that area?

Jeff: I saw, in fact, I think I saw you guys I think at Saratoga Winners [crosstalk 00:02:00].

Wayne: Okay, yeah. I think ...

Jeff: Yeah, and around that time. But I used to go there. We used to go to QE2.

Wayne: Oh, yeah, QE2 we used to play.

Jeff: Bogie's. Yup.

Wayne: In '95 all the time I remember playing there. There was a like a railing along the stage.

Jeff: Yeah, totally. Totally. So, how ... From the inception of the band until the next couple years before you ended up leaving the band, how much of a rise was there in the band? You guys ... When did Victory Records start to come into it?

Wayne: That was after ... Probably months after I left.

Jeff: Oh really?

Wayne: 'Cause I was like ... Yeah, I was a ... It was just a local hardcore band back then, so I was actually in college and had a job. Not a great job, just working at JCPenney, but still a job nonetheless.

Jeff: Right. Right, right.

Dustin: So were you kicking yourself at all when that happened?

Wayne: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Dustin: Yeah? Oh, no.

Wayne: 'Cause I was like, "I'm not gonna ..." It's a hardcore band. You did it for fun. I did it for fun on the weekends. I never thought of it as a career, especially that type of music. I guess you never really know what's gonna hit. I mean, there was like 100 bands in Connecticut back then, and that was the one band that really made it out of all of them.

Dustin: Right, right.

Jeff: But that is ... That's the ...

Wayne: But I was like, "You know, I don't wanna quit my job and just tour for fun, not make any money or anything," so. And then, of course, years later, I'm like, "Ugh."

Jeff: And that happens, yeah.

Dustin: Yeah.

Jeff: But that's the dichotomy of being in bands, and both Dustin and I know that, because we've been in bands for a while, and it's that fine line of either ... You can't attack it being, "I'm gonna be the next Metallica," but you can't ... You have to make that decision at some point when ... Any time that you're in any band, you have to make that decision. Am I gonna go out there and do this for fun and take those risks, or am I gonna actually try to ...

Wayne: Especially, though, like a hardcore band, because it's not really a money-making, a career ... You know, how many bands last that long?

Jeff: Well, I mean, before Hatebreed, there was really none. Hatebreed ...

Wayne: Right. There was the classic band ... There's Agnostic Front and the Cro-Mags, and they're classic bands and they're huge in the scene, but you don't really think of them as like ... I mean, now they're still sort-of playing and still going, but back then it's they're broken up and they're getting back together and this and that.

Jeff: Yeah, it was a totally different time. So, even going back a little further, what got you into playing music? What made you pick up a guitar?

Wayne: The very first band I ever got into was KISS.

Jeff: Yes!

Wayne: Like my father used to have records when I was a baby, so I've heard it since I was born, and I was even Paul Stanley when I was five years old in kindergarten for Halloween.

Jeff: Excellent. Excellent.

Wayne: So I was ... And I was always just banging on the guitar. And then I got into Ozzy, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and all the metal bands back in the early '80s.

Jeff: Yeah, well, I mean, that's a great list of things to get you to wanna pick up a guitar.

Dustin: It's a healthy [crosstalk 00:05:11].

Wayne: Yeah, definitely.

Jeff: Totally.

Wayne: Especially it was so different back then. I mean, you put on MTV and they had metal music playing and stuff. Now it's like pregnant teenagers and Jersey Shore or whatever the hell they have going on.

Dustin: What happened to this world?

Jeff: It's not ...

Wayne: Justin Bieber is the most popular thing now. It's completely different.

Dustin: No.

Jeff: There's no such thing as music television anymore, unfortunately.

Wayne: No.

Jeff: So, okay, so you left the band in '96, and ...

Wayne: Actually I was in the band, if you get technical, twice before, so.

Jeff: Oh really?

Wayne: Yeah, I joined when it started in '94, late '94, and then I left at the end of '95. And then mid-'96 the bass player actually left temporarily, who's been in the band the whole time, just for one year mid-'96 to mid-'97. He left, and then the guitar player me. He was like, "Hey, man. We just need you to do the show with us. Man, we're playing with Biohazard in Long Island."

Dustin: Oh, great show.

Wayne: Yeah, this was mid-'96. I was like, "All right, I'll do it." And then I ended up just playing again, and then the guitar player switched over to bass temporarily, which was Lou 'Boulder' Richards.

Jeff: Yeah.

Wayne: Rest in peace. He died in 2006, but ... So I did that for I think another eight months. I was like, "Yeah, I'll fill in, I'll help you guys out. Whatever." Still not thinking it's gonna go. But then I saw the shows getting a little bigger. And we actually got to the show late, that first one with Biohazard, and they were like, "Oh, you're gonna go on after Biohazard. You're late." I'm like, "Aw, man."

Jeff: Oh no!

Dustin: Oh, geez!

Wayne: And this ... Biohazard was huge, but we ended up going on after them and everybody stayed and was going crazy, and I was like, "Wow." I couldn't believe that. That's when I was being like, "Okay, I guess maybe the band does have something," but still not enough to quit my job and ... I still was just doing it for fun back then.

Jeff: So after you left the band for good, did you continue to play guitar in bands or at least by yourself?

Wayne: Yeah. You've probably never heard of them, but I was in a band, another hardcore band, called [2x4 00:07:15]. I don't know if we ... We played mostly just Connecticut and Massachusetts kind of area. And then I was in more of like a punk boy band called the Youthful Offenders, and we had some ... We had a 12-inch out and CD and just played locally again. And a few other bands, but nothing serious.

Jeff: Did you stay in contact with any of the guys from Hatebreed?

Wayne: Well, yeah. Chris Beattie, he's one of my best friends, so I've been talking to him since day one. He's actually how I got back in the band. I don't know if you know this. In 2006, I actually ... He was like, "Oh, I need a tech," and I was like, "I'll do it. I'll ..." So I actually was their guitar tech in 2006, and I was like, "I'll chill. I'll change your strings and plug in your amps and tour the world." Why not? So then ... And Ozzfest '06 was my first tour ever teching, so it was like getting thrown into the fire on that one.

Jeff: Wow. And so I met you like I had said earlier, actually teching for the Dropkick Murphys. Do you still do that on kind of a regular basis, doing the guitar tech kind of thing?

Wayne: No, I actually never do that. I ... 'Cause Sean quit the band in 2009, so I've been playing back since 2009, and so I hadn't really teched since 2008. But I'm good friends with Dropkick Murphys' band and crew, and last year I was sitting home and they needed someone midway through the tour. It was like, "Oh, we need someone right away. Would you wanna do it?" And I was like ... So this is [2000 inaudible 00:08:49]. I haven't teched in eight years. I'm like, "Why not? I'm not doing anything anyway." So I actually went out with them last year for a week or two. I can't even remember. And then, so this year the same thing. We had some time off, and they were like, "We need someone again. Do you wanna do it?" I was like, "Yeah, why not?" And I ended up doing the whole tour. So I've only teched for just Dropkicks on this one tour and last year, but I haven't done anyone else since 2008.

Jeff: That's crazy. I'm sure then, now having at least a couple times where you were a guitar tech, it gives you probably a different appreciation for both sides of the game kind of thing.

Wayne: Definitely. 100%. And I know what not to do as a tech, 'cause I know when people do stuff too... When I'm there, I'm like, "Oh, God. Just do ... Why can't you just do this?" I just want it to be the same every day. Put the amp in the same spot, the pedals in the same spot. It's kind of simple stuff like that.

Dustin: So when did you start taking over playing guitar again for Hatebreed? Did somebody fall off the stage and they were like, "You're in, kid"?

Wayne: No. Sean actually quit in 2009, so January 2009 I've been ... They were just like, "Sean might be leaving. You wanna come back and play again?" I'm like ... Actually, first, they were like, "It might just be a tour." And I was like, "Yeah, I'll do it." And he was like, "Well, actually he might be quitting for good. So you wanna come back?" I was like, "Yeah." I was already with them on the bus. I knew most of the songs anyway.
I had actually teched for a couple other bands, too, in between there. I teched for EXODUS ...

Jeff: Awesome.

Wayne: ... and Monster Magnet ...

Jeff: Awesome.

Dustin: I love Monster Magnet.

Wayne: ... and one really different one: Rihanna.

Jeff: Really?

Wayne: Yeah. So that was an experience.

Jeff: So, okay, that brings up an interesting question, then.

Wayne: That was 2007.

Jeff: How different is a tour like that? Because I mean, I see a band like Hatebreed touring the world and playing to humongous crowds and stuff like that, but then you bring up somebody like Rihanna and that's gotta be a whole different monster, especially from the tech side of it, right?

Wayne: Actually, the tech side is almost the same. And you're still setting up guitars, still doing the same thing, but you're ... You got your ... You can play in these fancy places and got your ... Well, some metal bands have two buses, but Hatebreed only has one bus, so it's band and crew on one bus. But you got your crew bus and catering every day, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and it's just way different. But the work is almost the same. You're still pushing in cases and changing strings and making sure everything goes okay during the show.

Jeff: Right. It's just a different monster 'cause Rihanna's on stage.

Wayne: Yeah, exactly.

Dustin: And you get catering.

Jeff: Yeah, you get catering.

Wayne: Yeah.

Jeff: So, since you joined back up with the band, I mean it's obviously a whole different beast now. I mean, Hatebreed is massive and touring the world. Where ... Do you have a favorite place to play, like a favorite country or a favorite club or something that you'd love to return to?

Wayne: Actually, I love playing Connecticut all the time. We're [inaudible 00:11:56] just like coming home to seeing all your friends in the crowd and people that are excited that you made it in the crowd. I actually went to Anthrax last night. It was Anthrax, Killswitch Engage, Jasta, which is Jamey's solo band. And I've never seen so many Hatebreed shirts at a show that wasn't ours. The Connecticut love is always good.

Jeff: That's gotta feel great.

Wayne: But, Germany's always good. We play there a lot. Good crowds over there. There's so many places.

Jeff: You're actually going ... I believe you're starting in Germany on your next tour next week, correct?

Wayne: Yeah, we're actually ... I'm actually leaving Monday to go back on tour, so.

Jeff: And then I think I saw on the website that you guys are doing a U.S. tour in the summer as well, so that'll be cool.

Wayne: That's Warped Tour.

Jeff: Oh, you're touring on Warped Tour. Excellent. In fact, I heard that. That's right. Yeah.

Wayne: That's almost two months or something.

Jeff: Wow.

Wayne: I know it's long. We're actually going ... 'Cause we're going to Europe next week, and then we come back, and then we go to South America. We're doing some big festivals with Slayer and Five Finger Death Punch, and I think Linkin Park is on it. Then we go back to Europe in the beginning of June, and we fly right from the European tour in June to Warped Tour, so now we're going steady.

Jeff: Is this Hatebreed's first time on Warped Tour?

Wayne: Well, they played it in 1998, actually. That's after I left.

Jeff: A billion years ago.

Wayne: Yeah. It was completely different back then.

Jeff: Yeah, totally.

Wayne: But we actually did Warped Tour Australia a few years ago.

Jeff: Oh, okay. Cool.

Wayne: And that was pretty cool. But, yeah, so this summer's pretty packed.

Jeff: And this summer, including the tour that's starting up very soon, you guys are touring on your new album, Concrete Confessional, which is awesome, by the way.

Wayne: Yes, thank you very much.

Jeff: And, I mean, tons of love. It was named one of the most anticipated metal albums from Rolling Stone last year, and really high marks on Billboard and all that stuff. I'd love to hear what it's like in the band when you guys attack a new album. Do you ... What is the writing process like, especially coming from a guitar?

Wayne: Mostly, actually ... The riffs are actually written mostly ... are by Jamey and Beattie, the bass player.

Jeff: Oh really?

Wayne: But we meet in the studio, and they just ... The kind of have just a bunch of riffs, not together but recorded.

Jeff: Ideas, yeah.

Wayne: Yeah, ideas. So then Jamey, he plays a little bit, just enough to show me his idea. Sometimes he'll even hum the riff. He'll be like (singing).

Jeff: Nice.

Wayne: You know, [inaudible 00:14:38] like this? And then stuff like that. And then Chris Beattie, the bass player, he writes a lot, so it's mostly they're the writing force, and they've mostly been since day one. Try not to change the formula up too much.

Dustin: You don't even hit the studio with completed songs, then?

Wayne: No.

Dustin: Wow.

Wayne: We go ... We do pre-production in the studio, and we basically put them together in the studio. So we just record the guitar ideas to a click track and then listen to them and put certain ones together. Then they put a drumbeat to it. It's good with the click track, 'cause then you can just, you can play the drums. It'll be on time with it, so you can try different ideas to see what works.

Dustin: Do you feel like the songs tend to flesh out when you starting playing them out live on tour and stuff?

Wayne: We usually feel out from what the crowd vibe is. We don't even have a set list.

Dustin: Really?

Wayne: So Jamey will start playing songs, and Jamey just, he says he can tell what the crowd wants to hear by their reaction, so I'm like, "Okay." So we know the first song, and that's it.

Dustin: Wow. Does that ever get hairy on stage?

Wayne: Oh, yeah, definitely. Sometimes if they monitors aren't good and I'm looking at the drummer, and we're like, "What? What'd he say? What'd he say?" And then it's ... There's been one time where I didn't even hear him, and the drummer clicks it off on the hi-hat and I'm like just nothing. I'm like "Uh, what?" So, it doesn't happen too often, but.

Dustin: You ever ... You ever end up playing separate songs at the same time?

Wayne: Not ... I haven't done that yet.

Dustin: That's good.

Jeff: Good.

Wayne: There was ... We have two different tunings, so there was one time where I didn't know we were switching tunings, so I just started. I was like ... He announced a song, and I started playing. I'm like, "Wait a minute, that's [inaudible 00:16:27]." I look over and I see the other guys. 'Cause I'm by myself on my side of the stage, and the other two guys are on the other side, so I didn't even notice them switching their guitars. I must've been getting a drink of water or something in between the songs, and I just came back and then ... So I was playing in a different tune. I just ... We just ... That was a train wreck.

Dustin: Isn't that what a good guitar tech is for, to hand you the correct guitar?

Wayne: But, normally, if you don't have a set list, though, they don't know when ...

Jeff: It's true.

Wayne: It's just we kind of tell each other on stage. And with us, we only have on guitar tech for all three of us, so he goes on the other side of the stage and I just, I'm just like, "Eh, either the drum tech'll hand me my guitar or I'll just grab it." 'Cause we don't have too many changes anyway, so it's not that big of a deal. He still sets everything up and everything, but during the show, he's just on the other side of the stage.

Jeff: Right. Crazy. Well ...

Wayne: But, yeah, that's normal, that would be the guitar tech, the guitar tech's job.

Jeff: That's nuts. You guys, Hatebreed has had the incredible ability to just play all different types of shows with all different types of bands. Do you ever ... Now that you've been doing it for a handful of years, do you still get starstruck? Do you ever play with a band and you're like, "Oh my God, I can't believe I'm playing with these guys," that kind of thing?

Wayne: I mean, I'm still ... I'm a big Zakk Wylde fan.

Jeff: Yeah?

Wayne: As of why I first liked the coffee. Like, "Whoa, let me try this out."

Jeff: We love ourselves some Zakk Wylde.

Wayne: We had the coffee on the Dropkick tour. That was the first time I had it. We had ... The bunch of bags just got delivered. We were just ... So I was drinking it every day on the bus, and I was like, "Oh, this is actually good, too." It's not just 'cause I'm a fan of Zakk, it's actually good coffee.

Jeff: You guys have toured Black Label, right?

Wayne: We did have a tour with ... Yeah, yeah. So that was like ... Even though we played with them every single night, it was still kind of like it's Zakk. I was a fan when I was 14 years old when No Rest for the Wicked came out, so that's always cool seeing him.

Dustin: Yeah, he's an intense guy, too.

Wayne: Oh yeah.

Dustin: He's really fun, man. That must've been pretty insane working with him.

Wayne: Yeah, it was great. It was a fun tour. It was us, Black Label, and the Butcher Babies.

Jeff: Oh, wow.

Wayne: So it was a party every night, pretty much.

Jeff: Heck yeah. That's really great. What ... This upcoming tour, I think I saw it online outside of Warped Tour, but when you're going to Europe and stuff like that, what are some of the bands you're gonna be playing with out there?

Wayne: Well, this was the tour ... The tour that we're doing is with Dying Fetus.

Jeff: Yeah, that's right. I did see that. That's awesome.

Wayne: And then we're combining up for in Berlin with another tour just for the one show. I think it's Havok, Warbringer, Exmortus, and Gorod, so that should be a pretty big show.

Jeff: That'll be ... Yeah, that'll be huge. Holy crap.

Wayne: We have ... But the European festivals, we're playing Graspop. It's like The Scorpions and ... The European festivals are so much bigger than anything that's ever been in the U.S. They're just a whole different level. I love playing those.

Jeff: That's awesome. Do you find the time ... You're touring all the time, you're writing music. Do you find time to still listen to music? Are there bands and stuff that are coming up that you're digging?

Wayne: Oh, definitely. Especially now ... Especially when I'm not ... When I'm teching it's like working all day, but when I'm playing I don't do anything except play for an hour a night, so I have nothing but time. I think the two new ... Well, newer-ish. I guess they're not brand new, but newer than the stuff I listen to growing up as a kid, like Black Label Society, for one, and Arch Enemy. I love Arch Enemy.

Jeff: Yeah, Arch Enemy's great.

Wayne: That's like ... Yeah, their playing is unbelievable.

Jeff: Has Hatebreed ever gotten a chance to play with them?

Wayne: Yeah. We did some festivals with ... They actually toured with them with Slayer back in like 2003.

Jeff: Oh, whoa.

Wayne: But we've done some festivals with them, so it's always great watching them on stage. I actually like Ghost, too. That's a little different [inaudible 00:20:40] yelling and screaming all the time. Might need a little break.

Jeff: Yeah, Ghost is an odd beast. They're definitely, they're making waves.

Dustin: I can't believe how much they've blown up.

Jeff: I know.

Dustin: It's really intense.

Wayne: I know, that ... I think part of that was 'cause they toured with Metallica and had ... That had a lot to do with it, James Hetfield supporting them.

Jeff: Yeah, that's a huge stamp of approval right there.

Wayne: It's all it takes is like ... Yeah, exactly.

Jeff: That's pretty incredible. Outside of the tour, is there anything next for Hatebreed? I mean, you guys are still rolling high on this new album, but after the tour in Europe and then Warped Tour, is there anything on the docket yet?

Wayne: Yeah, nothing scheduled as of right now, but we never know. Stuff pops up all the time.

Jeff: Right.

Wayne: But I mean now we're going pretty straight ahead from now until the end of August, so it's a pretty good amount of shows coming up.

Jeff: That's intense. That's so cool. Where is the best place people can follow ... I know Hatebreed has their website and everything, but how about you? Where's the best place people can follow you and your ...

Wayne: I have two places: Instagram and Twitter.

Jeff: Awesome.

Wayne: And it's just my name, Wayne Lozinak. And that's L-O-Z-I-N-A-K.

Jeff: Easy.

Wayne: So Instagram and Twitter, that's me.

Jeff: Easy.

Wayne: No Facebook. I don't do the Facebook.

Jeff: Yeah.

Dustin: So what's the craziest thing that's happened on tour for you?

Wayne: Oh man, I don't even know. I gotta think of what we can get into. I guess I could tell you the big story that a lot of people know why I actually got banned from drinking on tour.

Dustin: I haven't heard this.

Jeff: I haven't heard this, either.

Wayne: We could go ... Might as well go with that one. It always seems to pop up. This is actually when I was still the tech, and this was like my third tour with them, and it was the first time I ever went to Europe. So we ... Day one. The show was the next day. Me, the bass player, and the other guitar players, we go to the bar and we're drinking and drinking, and all of a sudden they're like, "Oh, you wanna try this?" I was like, "What's that?" He was like, "Oh, it's absinthe."

Jeff: Uh-oh.

Wayne: I was like, "Well, I never had that before, but I'll try it." So needless to say, I was pretty out of my mind by the end of the night. So we leave the bar, and we go back ... The bass player wants to get a kebab in Germany, so we're like, "All right." So we get in the cab. We get out. And I don't even remember, but I guess they said they look over, and they were paying and I was just laying on the ground. And I guess someone was coming up, I don't know if he's trying to help me up or telling me ... I don't know, but we start fighting.

Jeff: Oh no!

Wayne: And then all of a sudden, I don't know, 15 people come out of the Turkish kebab place and we're fighting in the street, us three. Us, Frank, and ... Me, Frank, and Beattie are fighting in the street. So then whenever that breaks up, the cops come and were yelling at the cops. They didn't do anything. I'm surprised we didn't get arrested.

Dustin: Yeah, how does something like that get resolved? How do you not get your ass totally kicked?

Wayne: I don't know. I didn't ... Yeah, I don't know, but then we just left. But then, the bass player was like ... He's like, "Oh, my wrist! My wrist!" I was like, "Oh, man." So we go ... And this is, the tour's starting tomorrow, now. So we go to sleep. I wake up, and he's in a cast.

Dustin: Oh geez.

Jeff: Oh no.

Wayne: I'm like, "You gotta be kidding me." And I'm still ... Like I just started touring with them a few months ago, so I'm brand new anyway. So then I actually had to learn the songs, and I played bass for the next show ...

Jeff: Oh my God.

Wayne: ... while he was sitting [inaudible 00:24:30] back. And then we both ... And then he was going home, 'cause he couldn't do anything, so. And then I got sent home from Germany from the tour. And I was like, "Ugh." So then I was like, "Oh, yeah, I guess if I come back on I won't be drinking."

Dustin: Was it your master plan all along to have somebody's wrist get broken so you could step in?

Wayne: No, that's what people say [inaudible 00:24:50]. I'm like, "No."

Jeff: Aw.

Wayne: There was actually another time when Sean, the old guitar player, got food poisoning or something on tour in the U.S., and so I played. [inaudible 00:25:00] like, "Oh, you poisoned Sean." I'm like, "No, no, I didn't do it."

Jeff: That's funny.

Wayne: There's just one, one of the stories.

Jeff: That's funny, though.

Dustin: I mean, how is the [crosstalk 00:25:12] ...

Wayne: Yeah. It's kind of infamous in our world when that comes up.

Dustin: Are the Hatebreed tours usually a little bit crazy, on the crazier side? You guys just partying it up, having a good time, or?

Wayne: Not as much. They used to be. I mean, they used to insane, but everyone's a little older now, and so it's ... But every once in a while, we let loose. Not too bad anymore.

Jeff: That's good, though. I mean, there's a good dichotomy there.

Wayne: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: Finally, we always like to ask our guests this. You've been on tours, you've played huge festivals, you've toured the entire world, you've been playing guitar now for a very long time. What fuels you to keep going? What fuels you to keep getting out there and performing in front of people and writing music and stuff?

Wayne: Well, I just love music. I've always ... It's my favorite thing above anything, so I'm just happy that I can actually have a career in something that I love doing, which is very rare for a lot of people.

Jeff: Definitely.

Wayne: Especially I ... And I didn't start until my 30s, actually. I just had a regular job. I was actually driving a coffee truck, like you know one of those coffee-lunch [inaudible 00:26:18] there you go, coffee truck.

Jeff: Yeah.

Dustin: That's funny.

Wayne: It's funny 'cause I actually ...

Jeff: We got one of those.

Wayne: Yeah. It's funny, 'cause I just saw ... I went back to the old shop after years, and I took a picture with him, and I put it on my Instagram, and I didn't even realize I had a Death Wish Coffee T-shirt on. I was like, "Oh, look at that. Didn't even notice." So I tagged the ... I don't know who runs your Instagram, but I tagged it on there.

Jeff: That's awesome. That is awesome.

Dustin: Well, if you ever need a job, you know who to call.

Jeff: Yeah

Wayne: Yeah, there you go.

Jeff: We got a truck that needs driving.

Wayne: I gotta make sure, just in case this thing goes south. I can either be a tech or serve coffee to somebody.

Jeff: It definitely won't, though. I mean, Hatebreed is just doing great. You guys are awesome. It's been such a powerhouse for years now, and I don't see Hatebreed slowing down anytime soon.

Wayne: No, it's definitely ... I'm really happy that the people like the new stuff, too, and we're not just a nostalgia band where people only come to see the old stuff. And it's like, you know, so many ... A lot of bands put new stuff out, but nobody really cares. And it's like people are really loving this new album. It's great.

Jeff: Yeah, and for all of our listeners one more time, that's The Concrete Confessional. It's out on Nuclear Blast. Definitely pick it up. It's super, super awesome. And congratulations on all your success, and thank you so much again for taking time to talk with us on the podcast.

Wayne: No problem, man. Thank you.

Jeff: Awesome, yeah. We'll be in touch. Keep caffeinated out there on the road.

Wayne: Definitely, definitely.

Jeff: Awesome.