Jeff: I want to know what ... First and foremost, you guys are both part of obviously, Mr. Throwback Thursday. I want to know for both of you, where did the love of hip hop begin? Where did you ... Where did that even start for you guys?

Jamie Robinson: Well for me, I went into what you, well, it was James Way. So I went into the department store with my mom [crosstalk] and she was wandering around doing her thing, so I just wandered into the music section and I saw the cover of the UTFO cassette with Roxanne Roxanne.

Jeff: Yup.

Jamie Robinson: No idea of what UTFO was. Nothing. I just looked at the covered of the cassette and I said, "This looks pretty cool. I'm gonna get this." And from that moment on I just needed to have more. And it was hard being in Hyde Park because you're far enough away from the city where you might get the random cassette show up or an album, but it wasn't there, you had to dig for it. I got a whole lot of collections, like the K-Tel collections.

Jeff: Yup, mm hmm.

Jamie Robinson: I got a whole lot of those and then that introduced me to a whole bunch of artists I never would have known about.

Jeff: Yeah. Like your infamous rap's greatest hits volume one.

Jamie Robinson: I have one, two and three here on cassettes still.

Jeff: Yeah I know you do. So how about you, Bill?

Bill Winters: I got into it. A friend of mine had the run DMC Rock Box album on vinyl and I had never heard it before and I was over at his house, and he started spinning it and I said, "This is completely different. What is this?" He goes, "This is rap music." And I said, "I like this." I think I was in junior high at the time, maybe my freshman year of high school. So that would go back 1980, 84, 85, somewhere around there.

Jeff: Yup.

Bill Winters: And from that point on it was, nobody else was listening to this. So I wanted to kind of supplement my thing. And back then you know, you could join the Columbia House CD clubs and get 13 for a penny. So that's what I did. I supplemented my collection through Columbia House by getting 13 disks for a penny. And they were all hip hop.

Jeff: Wow.

Jamie Robinson: That's funny. It's funny that they don't do Columbia House anymore.

Jeff: They probably lost a butt load of money. Because nobody paid for that shit.

Bill Winters: No. Well, there's interesting articles about that whole thing. How people would open up fake accounts constantly, get the 13, and then just ... Especially under aged kids, like 13, 14 year olds [crosstalk] would do this. Send it in, get the disks and say, I'm not old enough to enter into a legal contract. This is not binding. So they wouldn't have to pay for anything and they wouldn't have to order anything else.

Jeff: That's crazy.

Jamie Robinson: But I just put cassettes in my pockets and walked out of the stores. It was a lot easier.

Dustin: That's great. Now you guys don't look like the typical hip hop lovers. How often do you find yourself breaking that stigma of people being surprised that you're so deep into hip hop?

Bill Winters: Only on days that end in Y? To be honest, everybody, especially-

Jamie Robinson: Well to listen to us then to see us too.

Bill Winters: Yeah. When people see us and they find out what the podcast is about, they're like, "Um, really? You look like a librarian.? And I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. But ... "

Jamie Robinson: Yeah, it takes about a 10 minute conversation with somebody who's skeptical about what we do for them to realize, "Oh shit, I don't know as much as they do, so I should shut up."

Dustin: Is there like an ace up your sleeve that you waited to pull out? Like drop that knowledge bomb every now and then?

Jamie Robinson: No, I, I like to sit and wait and let them go and trip them up. When they get to a point where they think they've reached that bomb that they have.

Dustin: Good move.

Jamie Robinson: It's a lot more fun to sit back and watch and them go, "Well what about this?" And then you hit them with something more obscure and they go, "Oh."

Jeff: So it's kind of like rap battles, but with hip hop knowledge.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah. Yup.

Jeff: Perfect.

Bill Winters: And now it's even worse 'cause after 252 weeks of one and dones of people nobody's ever heard of, we can pull stuff out that no one's ever heard of and they just look at you funny, like what is Hoes with Attitudes?

Dustin: Do you guys find yourself like digging for that, that weird hip hop album that nobody's ever heard of?

Jamie Robinson: Yes.

Bill Winters: Every week. That's him, yup.

Jamie Robinson: Oh, I'm retired so I'm home all the time. So I'll start listening to something on usually Spotify. I'll listen to something and I don't know if you use Spotify, but it says people also like or related artists and I will click a related artists and click a related artists from there and go down like a four hour rabbit hole and land on somebody and go, "Let me see if these guys have anything." And I look them up on Wikipedia on Discogs or something and go, "This is the only thing they ever did but it was kind of good. It's going in the show."

Jeff: Nice. You ever do that in a store? Like dig through old cassette tapes and like find weird shit, old demos and stuff?

Jamie Robinson: Well that's when we started, we would go to the mall like once a week and go, all right, new records are out, let's go see. And you go into the rap section, it was cassettes were stacked on the wall and just start flipping through and go, "This one looks cool. Ever hear this guy?" "Nope." All right. And we would grab like six or seven of people we've never heard of.

Jeff: That's awesome. How did you guys end up meeting?

Bill Winters: High school.

Jeff: Wow.

Bill Winters: We met in high school. Dave's a year younger than I am. We were both in marching band together.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah.

Jeff: Very hip hop of you.

Bill Winters: Yes. Yeah. [crosstalk] He was a skateboard punk at the time. So he was a percussionist and you know, I was the drum major so we just got talking one day. I think he heard me listening to something and kind of had that look like, holy shit. There's another guy who who listens to rap music. So we just started talking and comparing notes and that was it. And then we found out we only lived about five minutes away from each other on the same street.

Jamie Robinson: Same street, opposite ends.

Dustin: Wow. It was, it was meant to be.

Jamie Robinson: Love at first sight.

Jeff: Yeah.

Jamie Robinson: It was. And now we share a brain.

Jeff: So when did-

Bill Winters: Not for my father, it wasn't. My Dad hated him.

Jeff: Really? Oh, because of the skate punk thing?

Jamie Robinson: No, it was because I was bad.

Bill Winters: No, because he thought he was a bad influence.

Dustin: Where you?

Jamie Robinson: I was.

Jeff: Okay.

Jamie Robinson: I still am on occasion but...

Jeff: Good, good, good, good. It you need influence.

Dustin: Wait. Which one of us is the bad influence?.

Jeff: I think we're bad influences on each other.

Dustin: Right, in different-

Jeff: I think we're just a bit, a bundle of bad influence.

Dustin: Right, yeah.

Jeff: It works out.

Dustin: Just trade, yeah.

Jeff: So when did the idea to start a podcast happened for you guys? Like how did that coalesce?

Jamie Robinson: About five and a half years ago, a buddy of mine who was a radio DJ lost his job and he took the guys who were on the show with him and started a podcast so that they still had their audience looking for stuff from them. So they had a built in audience already. And they started doing the show, and then they made themselves a network so they made a couple of other shows with family and friends. And so I sent him a message and said, hey, I said, "Bobby, why don't you do a hip hop show?" Because he's big into Wu Tang and Tribe.
And I said "That'd be a good show for your network." And he said "Yeah, would." He goes "But you know, I don't have enough knowledge." He goes "Well, why don't you do it?"
I said "Alright." So I wrote it up and basically like a proposal, this is what I would say to do. And we do it this way, duh duh duh duh. And I handed it to him and he said "Yeah, no." He said "You've got no audience. You've got no following, you've got no radio experience." He said "What do you got here? Six half hour episodes, once a month?"
So I said "Man, all right." So I went back home and I started looking into. I said "Screw it, I can do this myself." I said "How about we do this?" And I started talking to friends of mine who had shows.
I'm like, you know, what software do you use? What do you do? I said, I have no money to do this with. So I got ahold of Bill and said, "Hey, this is what I want to do. Want to do it?"
He was like "Well it's kind of like what we do anyway." 'Cause when we get together, this is all we talk about. It's all we've ever talked about. [crosstalk] It's a natural thing for us to sit there and go "Ooh, this news article, did you see this?" And we just tell everybody else about it now.
But yeah, so every time we hit a milestone, like we just passed 250 episodes.

Jeff: Congrats.

Jamie Robinson: Thanks. We're going to hit five years in January.

Jeff: Wow.

Jamie Robinson: I always look to that guy and see what he's doing now and go "Six half hour episodes, man. We're two hours a week, every week. We don't miss a week for five years."

Jeff: Yeah, yeah. And that's a huge accolade. And you guys got in the game, you know, five years ago, you had to explain to people the hell a podcast was.
Like, you still do to some extent, but most people know what a podcast is now. But five years ago, I wasn't even listening to podcasts. [crosstalk]

Jamie Robinson: People have at least heard the term now. Even if they're not listening to them or fully understand, they've heard the word.

Jeff: Yeah.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah, back then it wasn't really...

Bill Winters: And to be honest with you, Mr. Throwback Thursday wasn't the original name of the show.

Jeff: Oh, what was it?

Jamie Robinson: It was Shell Toes and Kane Goals.

Jeff: Oh, okay.

Jamie Robinson: There was, you know, okay, well now you're going to start dealing with people with licensing and rights. And I don't want to try it. So before we aired.

Bill Winters: And he had started a page on Facebook called Mr. Throwback Thursday where every Thursday he would just post old school videos and people would post videos back and things like that. So he took the name and that's what he said to me. He goes "I want to turn this into a podcast. Do you think we could do it?" And I said "Well we can do anything. I don't know if it's going to be any good."
And if you listen to the first two or three episodes. Yeah. Episode one is a chore to get through. It really is.

Jeff: Everybody's got to start somewhere. Our early episodes are pretty bad, pretty terrible as well. [crosstalk] Sorry, go on.

Bill Winters: And this thing just grew organically. I mean I, I think our first episode was what, 38 minutes long.

Jamie Robinson: Yup. Something like that.

Bill Winters: And now we are between an hour and 45 and two hours every week. You've got a set schedule of what we do every week. We have a routine, we have our hip hop head lines, we have our Wu news, which kind of grew organically because there was one week where all the news was Wu Tang. And I had said to him, I said, "So this week it's just all Wu news." And he goes "I like that. Keep that in mind."
So he started finding Wu Tang articles and that became the second segment of the show. And then we've always done the record reviews, the one and done and the record of the week. And the one and done doesn't necessarily mean one hit wonder, it just mean one album that's commercially successful. [crosstalk] And then the record of the week can be anything. I mean we've had some pretty obscure records of the week.

Jamie Robinson: One week we've had Vanilla Ice as a one and done and Vanilla Ice as record of the week with a completely different album.

Jeff: That's awesome.

Bill Winters: That was the only time we've ever done that.

Jamie Robinson: And then we have Bill Reads Lyrics, which is...

Jeff: Which is one of my favorite segments for sure.

Bill Winters: Which started off of a news article that we were doing about beef and...

Jamie Robinson: Where is it.

Bill Winters: And it was about Tupac having beef with-

Jamie Robinson: With Biggie, yup.

Bill Winters: With Biggie. And I read some of the lyrics from an article and Jamie's friend, our friend, we call him Grandmaster T, I guess called Jamie and said "You need to have Bill read lyrics every single week. Because he reads them like Dr Seuss" is what he said. He said "Yeah, that's perfect."
So we took that idea and we...
I don't know if you remember Deep Thoughts with Jack Handy?

Dustin: Yup.

Jeff: Yup.

Bill Winters: That's where the whole piano thing came from, because I said to him. I said "We aught to do this like Deep Thoughts. You know, have the nice soothing piano in the background and you give me these lyrics about these most disgusting vile things."

Jamie Robinson: I try.

Bill Winters: So the first week we did it with the piano and everything we had Akinyele 's, Put It In Your Mouth, which is the grossest. So the juxtaposition of the nice calm, soothing piano with, you know, Put It In Your Mouth. And people, people come from far and there are people who will watch our feed every week because we live stream now.

Jamie Robinson: Yup.

Bill Winters: That'll go away in the middle of the show and then come back for Bill Reads Lyrics because they don't want to miss it. And, and the only time, Jamie is usually really good at not breaking. He'll send me these things knowing how disgusting they are [crosstalk] and he won't laugh or anything. And it was about two months ago.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah.

Bill Winters: That some lyric came up and the next thing I know, he's trying so hard not to laugh. He's falling off his chair and that was it.

Jamie Robinson: He was tough. I will just tell you a simple phrase. He said, "I've got the anal tongue dart."
That lyric, and I saw it coming. I'm like, I'm not gonna make it, I;m not gonna make it.

Dustin: Yeah, you know Bill kind of looks like the anal tongue dart type of person.

Jamie Robinson: He does! As he's doing it.

Bill Winters: Yeah, no, I'm, I'm actually sitting in a urology office right now, so it's not anal tongue darts, so it would be something else. But.

Jeff: So through out 250 episodes, this show has taken you guys places. It's given you the chance to meet some people. Like what are some of the craziest things that have happened because of the podcast for you guys?

Bill Winters: I'm going to let you handle this, because you've got the New Jersey show that you can tell 'em about.

Jamie Robinson: There was a little concert in Brooklyn. It was called the [crosstalk] 30th Anniversary Experience.

Jeff: Yeah.

Jamie Robinson: We grew up on Yo MTV Raps.

Jeff: Totally.

Jamie Robinson: And you know, you put in requests for media access for things. And they come back or they don't come back. [crosstalk] There's not a no, it's just "We don't even wanna deal with you."

Jeff: Right.

Jamie Robinson: So I hadn't heard anything. I was like "Alright, cool." The night before the show, I get an email from Viacom's saying you've been approved and need to be here at this window at 6:00. And I'm like, that's a seven hour drive for me with no notice. Because it was 5:00 the night before that I found out.

Jeff: Yeah.

Jamie Robinson: I was like "I have to go though." You know, it's just...

Bill Winters: He calls me and says "They only gave us one credential, so only one of us can go." And I said "Well you're Mr. Throwback Thursday." I said "Go."

Jamie Robinson: So I got to go to that and got...
What they did, they gave me a seat, so I could read a report on the show basically[crosstalk 00:15:14]. It was a good seat. But I went with my friend Marshall Fox from Def Rugs and he ended up getting backstage access because T Money's partner I guess, want to-

Bill Winters: And his partner from Def Rugs is Erick Sermon from EPMD. So.

Jeff: So he texts me, he goes, "Where are you?" I said "I'm sitting over here." And he goes "I'm coming to get you." So he comes and gets me. We walk back into the locker room areas and talking to Curtis Blow, who is my fantasy football commissioner, strangely.
Crazy.

Jamie Robinson: Yup, for years now. But I've never actually met Curtis.

Jeff: Right, right.

Jamie Robinson: So I'm hanging out with Curtis Blow and Smooth B, who was on our show from Nice and Smooth. So when I introduced myself, he was like "Man, I remember you. I still listen to your guy's show." I'm like "What?"

Jeff: So cool.

Jamie Robinson: So end of the night, yo I met all kinds of people. Flavor Flav was there, Dreads from Black Sheep, all these people. And I'm standing on stage at the end of the night with EPMD as they perform. So that's the craziest moment from all doing all of this, is not only did I get into the show. I'm hanging out in EPMD's locker room with them and they're like "Hey, let's go up on stage."
Alright.

Jeff: So cool.

Dustin: How long ago was that?

Jamie Robinson: That was in June.

Dustin: Oh, okay. That was real resent. That's awesome.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah. And you guys-

Bill Winters: More recently, we just went down to DC. What was it, the beginning of this month?

Jamie Robinson: Yeah.

Bill Winters: November first. I drove five and a half hours. He drove three and a half hours. We met in the middle. We went to the Wu Tang 25th anniversary of Enter the Wu Tang, 36 Chambers concert in DC. That was insane.

Jamie Robinson: Crazy.

Bill Winters: And then drove home the next day. So I spent 11 hours in the car for a three hour concert and won like seven hours sleep in a hotel room.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah.

Bill Winters: But we had to be there.

Jamie Robinson: We did.

Jeff: Heck yeah, heck yeah that's awesome.

Jamie Robinson: That was like, next show. That's...

Jeff: Yeah, that's awesome. And I mean like that's all from, you know, like you said, you were gonna develop this show and you were kind of told no in the beginning. You were like "Screw it, I'll do it on my own." And now you've opened up all these different avenues to where people in hip hop are listening to your show. You've had, I know artists like Premier Music on your show, which is crazy.

Bill Winters: We've had, how many Rock and Roll Hall of Famers have we interviewed? Two?

Jamie Robinson: Chuck D...

Bill Winters: DMC.

Jamie Robinson: DMC and Red Alert's in the Hall of Fame. But he's in there as a DJ.

Dustin: Yeah.

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's so, so cool and incredible. And first, for guys who have been loving the genre, you know, since the eighties, like you said. What is your take on it now? I mean like, it was so surprising that just at the end of this year we saw Wu Tang Clan perform Protect Your Neck on Good Morning America, which blows my mind to even say those words out loud. Like, what do you guys feel about the state of hip hop in today's age?

Bill Winters: We talked about it with Eric Sermon when we interviewed him and my take on hip hop is that the current batch of hip hop artists don't revere the elder statesman like any other genre music does. Like current rock and rollers completely go nuts for Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix and stuff. They treat these people as icons. And that's in basically every other type of music except hip hop. The current, I guess batch of hip hop artists want nothing to do with the old school heads.

Dustin: Why do you think that is?

Bill Winters: Because, I think it's because it's not the same type of music now. Back then, it was more about lyricism and telling stories and really, really good DJ work. Now, and I think one of the artists in one of the articles we read said "We're not all about that. That's too much for us. We just want something we can turn up to." So it's about a driving beat that they can sell, you know, as a ring tone with a catchy little hook and no lyrical content at all.

Jeff: Yeah. It's more of the pop music mentality then you know, the actual hip hop anymore.

Jamie Robinson: Right. But what I do like, doing our show is we get to find out things like the artists that we grew up listening to are bringing out new stuff, like Redman brings out a new album and it's a Redman album. It's not Redman trying to be Migos. You know it's...
Very, very few artists that we grew up listening to, that are putting out music, that are trying to fit in. They're not doing that. What they're doing is what they know works for their fans and hopefully somebody else will pick up on it.

Jeff: Very cool. Very cool. So I got to switch gears here real quick and I got to ask the question. When did you guys find out about Death Wish Coffee? I mean, we love Mr. Throwback Thursday and I feel like you guys have been synonymous with Death Wish Coffee since before I was ever a part of this coffee company.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah, fully embedded into the community.

Jeff: Yeah. How'd you guys find the company and the coffee?

Bill Winters: I found it by proxy through him. So I'll let-

Jamie Robinson: I used to drink them when we were recording. And Bill's like "Are you drinking that death stuff again?"
I'm like "Well, yeah." He goes "Isn't it late at night?" I'm like "Yeah, I'll be all right."
End of 2013. I got an Amazon gift card for my birthday, it's December 15th. I got an Amazon gift card. I had no idea what I was going to do with it. I was drinking Rev in the K-cup, because you know, 20 years of navy coffee, you need something that's got a little jump to it. And then they stopped making, or it wasn't available at the time. Rev was not available anywhere and I said "Well I need strong coffee." I said "Let me type in strongest coffee and see what you get." And obviously you guys came right off the top.
I said "Alright." I said "I'll try it. You know, I got a $25 gift card. I will buy some of this coffee." And I can honestly say I've not purchased another coffee since that day.

Dustin: Awesome. That's awesome.

Jamie Robinson: I take my coffee with me. Like, you know, when we went up to DC, I didn't want to carry my Chemex. I brought a French press with me and we had an my grinder, we had coffee there. I went on a cruise, I brought refillable teabags.

Jeff: Oh Nice.

Jamie Robinson: And I grind all my coffee and put it in tea bags. I take it with me to the restaurant or wherever I'm going. If I go out to a restaurant here, I bring a tea bag with me.

Dustin: See that's some pro tip shit.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah. You get the whole, like a thousand of the tea bags on Amazon.

Jeff: Yeah.

Jamie Robinson: And then you just grind your coffee before you go out anywhere and you can get, I think just over two tablespoons in the bag. So when they give you these little shot glasses of hot water. Just put that in there. Let it steep.

Jeff: Dus and I are the worst. We travel all the time and we never have coffee for ourselves. We bring it to everybody else. We never have, we're always dealing with shitty hotel coffee because we're dummies.

Jamie Robinson: Nope, never ever.

Bill Winters: We didn't drink hotel coffee down in DC. for Wu Tang. He brought his coffee. He actually brought his grinder and we grinded it fresh that morning.

Jeff: Oh, that's awesome.

Dustin: Yeah. We're the worst.

Jeff: We are the worst. We got to up our game.

Dustin: Oh my God. Yeah. We don't even grab ourselves K cups for the hotel room and we're handing this shit out all day.

Jeff: Yeah.

Dustin: It's crazy.

Jeff: We're at the hotel and we're like, dammit.

Jamie Robinson: That tea bag trick is the greatest ideas.

Jeff: Yeah. No, that's great. I love that idea.

Dustin: Sell that shit.

Jeff: So, one of the questions I've been asking a lot on our show, have fans of Death Wish, especially people like you guys who have been, you know, checking out the company since 2015 you said. You've seen us go to the soup bowl. You've seen us do all the different things we've done, all the merchant we make, all the coffee we've done. Is there anything we haven't tried that you think we should try? A piece of merch, a mug idea, anything?

Jamie Robinson: I think. Well, you should team up with Wu Tang Clan, but that's a different story.

Jeff: I agree.

Jamie Robinson: I think-

Jeff: For the children, right? I mean, we should do it for the children.

Jamie Robinson: Of course. Yeah.

Jeff: Yes.

Jamie Robinson: Have a Bring The Ruckus blend or something like that.

Jeff: I love it, I love it.

Jamie Robinson: No, I think you started something on the right track, that you should go back in history and redo. You did the t-shirt for the space mug. You should do classic mug medallion t-shirts.

Jeff: That's a good idea. Like really classic ones.

Jamie Robinson: Like Larry. You can do the old ones.

Bill Winters: Or you can be like Jamie and get a Mug Logo tattooed on you.

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, you do have a Mug Logo tattoo on you.

Dustin: Where is that tattoo? Oh damn!

Jeff: Yeah. That's awesome.

Dustin: Damn.

Jeff: Yeah. Super Awesome.

Dustin: Woo, dedication.

Jeff: That's cool. I like that idea about doing the old stuff, because like some of those old designs are really cool and they're well loved by fans. Like you guys, who have been fans of the company for so long.

Dustin: Iconic.

Jeff: Iconic stuff. Yeah, I think that would do well. And it's something we could run up the flagpole for the next year maybe.

Jamie Robinson: How many people like that pumpkin ale?

Bill Winters: Oh the pumpkin ale. Yeah, my son drinks that stuff like it's crack.

Jeff: Because it is. I'm kidding.

Bill Winters: I bought a pack, I bought a bag of it and I went to take some and it was three quarters gone. I said "What happened to my cauldron blend?" And my Stepson Wyatt is 22. He's like "Oh, that stuff's good. I'd been drinking that every morning." He had the french press and he drinks it out of there. So...

Jamie Robinson: Yeah, it's $25 too, hook me up. You can have some.

Bill Winters: Yeah. That's kind of what I said to him. I said " Good, now I know what you're getting for Christmas and nothing more."

Jeff: Yeah, right, right. Definitely.

Bill Winters: But as far as other ideas I liked, I loved, I'm a hockey guy. I grew up playing hockey. I still referee hockey. So the hockey jersey thing was a great idea for me, but I mean if you did like soccer jerseys or baseball, or any kind of sports related stuff would be cool.

Jeff: Yeah, we're looking into doing more of that because there was a really good response from the hockey jersey. Also the, what is it, the workout shirt, I guess you could call it.

Dustin: Yeah, the athletic tee. The performance t-shirt, yeah.

Jeff: So we might be doing more of that in the future too, which is really cool.

Dustin: Yeah. So, what's in the future for Throwback Thursday? What do you guys have planned for the show? Do you guys plan to change it at all? Add more stuff, plan to get different guests or what's in the works?

Jamie Robinson: We're always working on guests. All the guests that we've had on, seriously over the entire time. Every guest we've had on, we've reached through social media directly.

Jeff: Yeah, wow.

Jamie Robinson: Except for Chuck D. Chuck D, we had to go through his assistant who put us in touch with his p-
So we found a way there, but everything else has been direct contact with the artists. Which is why I think they come back to us when they do have new music to break. Like I've got this new record. These guys looked out for me, you know, and they send it directly to us. We world premiered Attract from AG, from showing AG, because he sent me a message during the show while we were recording. He's like "Hey, do you want this?"
Yes. Yes we do. So yeah, we're always trying to track down new guests. We don't have any kind of insider information. We just track people down and we beat them until they come on the show.

Jeff: It's the way you got to do that sometimes.

Jamie Robinson: It is. We wear them down long enough. They'll come on.

Bill Winters: As far as anything with the show, I liked the length of the show every week. I think it's just enough that people don't get, you know, oh my God, this is three hours long. I'm never going to listen to this. But we have a good routine. We have a good pattern of everything that we do and I just, you know, I'm wondering when he's going to run out of one and dones, that's all. I mean, we're five years into this stuff. He's so finds these things and I'm like, God damn. He'll send me one and I'll have to go and look it up and I'll be like, what is this?

Jamie Robinson: And he'll ask me before we start "Where did you find this?" And I'm like "Well... And I ended up down here."
"That's like way more than six degrees of separation. I don't know how you got there." But if I have a problem, we don't really change the layout of the ship at this point is if something happens organically like it has in the past. Like Wu News happened because it happened. And Bill Reads Lyrics happened because it happened. I'm not going to look to add anything. Well, we may do that thing with John Henderson. We may have one segment coming up. People have sent us a ideas for segments, like to do a hip hop themed movie review once a month or something. But you know, when you're looking at a two hour show, if you add that in, something's got to come out. So...

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Dustin: I love it when celebrities try to get into the hip hop game. Like, like Macho Man came out with that rap song against Hulk Hogan. And like Shaq did something, right? That was terrible.

Jamie Robinson: No, I will tell you, Shaq is actually very good. I've heard some horrible stuff. You dig into Shaq's catalog and he's got like nine albums.

Dustin: What?

Jamie Robinson: Exactly. And I'd know at least one of them was Eric Sermon produced. But you dig into some of the Shaq stuff that's not centered around Kazam or something like that. And just listened to his lyrics aside from him saying he's a Shaq-knife, which I still don't know what that is.

Dustin: But it cuts with precision. That's all I know about it.

Jeff: It does, it does.

Jamie Robinson: The first time I heard him was on the Fu-Schnickens record, and I was like Shaq raps?

Jeff: So crazy. So crazy. I guess then we're here at the million dollar question then for both of you guys. I got to know then, what fuels you, each of you, to keep doing it? To keep doing the show, to keep, you know, loving hip hop and bring it to the masses?

Jamie Robinson: I would say it's a toss up for me between knowing that the music we love and the artists we love are still out there doing things and trying to spread that information to other people. Because they need every avenue they can get because they're not part of major record labels anymore, because they've been burned so many times.
They're all doing stuff independently. And to stick it to the guy who said we couldn't do it.

Jeff: Awesome.

Jamie Robinson: I'm still friends with him. But fuck that guy little bit. It's a personal thing to me. Every time we hit a landmark I go...

Bill Winters: No, don't fuck that guy. We used to do a fuck fill in the blank every week.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah.

Bill Winters: Now a nine times out of 10 it's going to end up being Gene Simmons, but for me, the reason I keep doing the show is because it's two hours a week. I get to hang with my best friend who lives eight hours away now. And we get to talk like we were sitting at his bar in his backyard listening to his iPod like we always used to do.

Jamie Robinson: Yes.

Bill Winters: And it's fun. It's still fun. The minute it's not fun or the minute it becomes a job.

Dustin: Right.

Bill Winters: That's probably when we reevaluate it, but right now it's fun.

Dustin: That's awesome. That's awesome.

Jamie Robinson: That's why you should do it.

Dustin: Yeah.

Jamie Robinson: Unless you're some big corporate monster who's using it as a... Big corporate not small corporate.
Those guys that go "All right, well we need to do one of those podcasts things because everybody's..."
Unless you're those people, you should do it because it's fun to do.

Jeff: Yeah.

Bill Winters: And we've always said even if we only have seven loyal listeners, as long as they're loyal listeners and they enjoy it every week, we're going to keep doing it.

Jeff: That's awesome. That's the best attitude to have, especially in this industry.

Dustin: And the passion, the passion shows for sure.

Jeff: Yeah, for sure guys. Finally, for anybody who's watching this or listening to this who might not know how to follow you guys, what's the best way to follow you? What's the best way to find the show?

Jamie Robinson: Best way to find the show is at our websites, Mr. Throwback Thursday.com.

Jeff: I'll put that in our show as well.

Jamie Robinson: But we are everywhere. I mean if there is a podcast player, we're on it. We're on Spotify, we're on I Heart. We're on I tunes, Stitcher, Anchor, you name it. We're there.

Jeff: Excellent. Excellent, and do you guys personally do social media a lot? Do you or do you want to plug that at all or...

Jamie Robinson: Sure. Yeah, I'm on Twitter. I'm at the underscore Mr. underscore tbt and on Instagram I'm at Mr. Throwback Thursday.

Jeff: Perfect.

Bill Winters: And my Twitter and Instagram handles for the show are the same at Bill underscore Mr underscore tbt. And we are pretty active on social media. He gets a lot of hits, will pose a question to the posse and he'll post it on Twitter and we'll get, you know, hundreds of replies. Because big time groups like Hip Hop Golden Age and people like that will retweet it and will get responses from all over the place. Awesome. So that we've used the social media to expand our audience immensely.

Jamie Robinson: Yeah. We don't have like hundreds of thousands of followers, but some of the people who follow us regularly, do.

Dustin: So righteous. That's pretty Rad.

Jeff: Well guys, thank you so much for being on our show finally. It was great talking with you guys and I know I'll keep tuning in every week to Throwback Thursday because I love what you guys are doing. Appreciate it. Thanks for having us.

Bill Winters: We'll keep putting it out and we'll keep drinking our Death Wish Coffee when we do it. Because we always say that you are the only other podcasts that can say they're fueled by death and that's only because it's your product.

Dustin: Every week.

Bill Winters: So every week, we're the two podcasts that are fueled by death. So

Dustin: It is true. It is true. Well, awesome.

Bill Winters: Well only one of them gets the term anal tongue darts from time to time.

Dustin: So you don't know that for sure.

Jeff: We got to work harder Dustin.

Dustin: Next week. Next week. Next week. Our guest is anal tongue darts.

Jeff: Lil' anal tongue darts.

Dustin: Or young anal tongue darts.

Jeff: Oh Gosh. God. Awesome. Awesome. Well thanks guys.

Bill Winters: Oh, thank you. Thanks for having us.