Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.

Steve Souza: No problem.

Speaker 1: I kind of want to start in present day. As we're talking to you right now Exodus just finished up another killer tour. You guys were, I believe, in Europe correct?

Steve Souza: Yeah. We had 17 shows throughout Europe. Eight of them in Germany, but like I think there was another 10 that was Italy, France, Holland. Just scattered throughout Europe.

Speaker 1: Oh man. I gotta ask, for someone who's been in the industry for so long and has been touring the world as much as you have, what are, I like knowing this especially since we're in the states. What are the crowds like for Exodus in Europe? Is it bigger? Is it always a bigger thing?

Steve Souza: I don't know if it's bigger. I guess yes and no. I think more loyal, if that makes any sense to you at all. They love it to death. They're still into the battle jackets with the patches on it. I mean that is still huge. I only remember that in the eighties here. That died out. They're very much into that total, if they love you there's people that follow us around. Their vacation's coming up and they're going to go spend eight days with Exodus. So, there's just a different mentality I think. The European crowds definitely South Americans too. The same way. Japan. It's just like, America's got a lot of things going on so there's a lot of distraction. Metal gets no love really in the United States. There's not a television show or really a national radio show that has any, Eddie Trunk does his thing, Liquid Metal, but there's no TV show. They have that metal show for a few years, they don't do that. There's nothing.

Steve Souza: If you watch the awards shows on television there's not even one hard rock award anymore. It's not really catered to us. I think if you love it, you totally love it and that's great because it's fans forever. I mean how many bands that put a record out, from other genres of music, in 1985 can still put out new records and people go, "Wow. That's fresh. That's still great. Still heavy. Still got some edge to it."

Speaker 1: It is a shame that we live in that world where not just metal, but I feel like rock as a whole is just-

Steve Souza: I agree. I so agree. It's awful. I mean [inaudible 00:02:33] have time at the football game the other day and Gary Alt made a big statement on Facebook about it. I can't even remember because it just, they're not even a rock. I don't care. How can you call that rock? Do you call Coldplay rock?

Speaker 1: No.

Steve Souza: To call Maroon Five rock.

Speaker 1: No.

Steve Souza: That's what they're dishing out as rock. The only one I can give any respect to are Foo Fighters. You know what I mean? They rock still. I grew up, I'm 50, going to be 55 years old. I grew up in the seventies when all there was, was Rod Stewart and Fleetwood Mac, and the Eagles, and Led Zepplin, and the Rolling Stones. It was rock you know? You had Earth, Wind and Fire and great soul bands and R&B bands, but it wasn't like just the pop music today is just awful. I mean I can deal with the Ozman Brothers. I can deal with the Jackson Five. I can deal with that. The DeFranco family. I can't deal with this stuff. I just won't listen to it.

Speaker 3: What do you think makes it so deplorable?

Steve Souza: I don't think there's much musicianship in it anymore. I think they go into a room and buttons and just put it so there's nothing coming from the heart. They're going to get popular. They're going to go into the studio. I see this all the time. Guys are writing lyrics in the studio and then they're splurting it out. It's like, did you have time to think about really, is that really good enough? Are you composing a song and that's it? You know what I mean? So, I just think that's kind of waste paper basket. You don't see anyone buying catalog of rap records even from three years ago. They're still buying Bonded by Blood. You know what I mean? It's a different demographic when it comes to that.

Speaker 1: Going back to your start. It's widely known, you started in Exodus in '86 and before that you were with Legacy, which then turned [crosstalk 00:04:36]. Let's go even farther back than that because you were talking about it. You grew up in a hey day of rock and roll. What was it that sparked in your head that was like, I want to try and do this. I want to be a musician. I want to go out there and do that.

Steve Souza: [inaudible 00:04:52]

Speaker 1: What was that?

Steve Souza: My dad was a biker and my dad built Harley's in the garage. In the late sixties and early seventies he's listening to Zepplin and the Allman Brothers, and Black Sabbath, and Jimi Hendrix. So, when I heard all that stuff and then I heard Stairway to Heaven. It had to be probably when it right came out because I was about eight years old. '72 I think. When I heard the lead guitar and the way Plant raises his voice [singing 00:05:22]. I never heard a vocal like that before ever. It just hooked me and then ever since then I loved anything that had hard edge. I mean I was in sixth grade and kids were going "Souza listens to acid metal or acid rock" because metal wasn't even a term yet. It was like I was listening to whatever the heaviest shit was the heaviest shit.

Speaker 1: Did you end up starting a band at all in school before?

Steve Souza: No. It wasn't actually until about a year out of school and I actually hooked up with these guys and one of them is Phil [Demil 00:06:00], he played guitar in Machine Head. He just left recently, but he played in Violence and he was the first guitar player that I played with and from then I got hooked. Then, I was playing with those guys and I met Derrick, Eric and Louie who were the Legacy, and that's how Legacy started. So I went out, I lived in Dublin and they lived in Alameda. It was probably a 35 minute drive and I went out there and met these guys and they were playing this music that nobody was playing. It was Thrash. It was something that people weren't really playing. When I heard I was like, "Wow. This is raw like punk but still has the edge like hard rock music."

Speaker 1: Then I mean to fast forward even a little bit farther after you join Exodus. I can remember, we talk about this earlier actually, how there's no real outlet for rocker metal in today's age, but back then you know, I used to watch you guys on Headbangers Ball all the time.

Steve Souza: There isn't.

Speaker 1: There's none of that now. What was it like being in that, I don't know, that microcosm of you could put out a video, put it on Headbangers Ball and everybody would see it and then you guys could tour on that. What was that like as opposed to what you have to deal with today in rock?

Steve Souza: The medium was different at that time. The medium was, can you guys still hear me?

Speaker 1: Yup.

Speaker 3: Yup. We're still good.

Speaker 1: Can you hear us?

Steve Souza: Yeah I can hear you now. Can you hear me?

Speaker 3: Yup.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Steve Souza: Okay the medium was different. The only way you could see your favorite bands was to go to concert or watch them once a week on MTV. Now it's you want to watch your favorite bands from a concert you put on YouTube, you got last nights concert wherever the hell they were. You know we don't, it's kind of crushed the mystique of going to show. I remember when the Ramones used to come around. Usually once a year, once every year and a half you had to go see the Ramones to see the Ramones. It wasn't like you could put up a video or something like that. It didn't work like that and it doesn't work like that.

Speaker 1: So, do you think and this is probably a loaded question, but do you think there's any way we can save rock and roll and metal in this day and age?

Speaker 3: What do you think we're missing?

Steve Souza: Metal will always last because metal is always got that contingent fan base that doesn't give a shit. There's always going to be the dark. There's always going to be the outlaw. There's always going to be the guy who's always sits out and wants to be different. I mean if you go to schools now metal heads are few and far between. I mean I have five kids. Three of my own and two step and none of them, the last two just got out the last couple of years. My oldest is 29. Not a lot of kids, like you'll see going down the street wearing metal tee shirts anymore. It's just more, I don't know, hip hop or whatever pop music is. It's just not put in their face. So they don't know it. Again, if it was something that everybody looked at then it would be different, but nobody does. So, it's not cool. The edge of metal is not cool. It's more hip hop and whatever Drake's saying and this guy.

Steve Souza: Those guys turnover so fast it's unbelievable. Even the rappers that were around in 1985 have to do the old school metal rap tour together to get people to come. I don't have to do that shit. I can still go out and play on a new record that's going to be strong. You know?

Speaker 1: Definitely. Definitely. I want to talk about it because you guys have been talking about it now for a couple of years. Is this the year we're going to get the new record from Exodus?

Steve Souza: I don't know. I know one of our guitar players who's the main song writer and everybody knows what he's doing right now, right?

Speaker 1: Slayer.

Steve Souza: What the hell am I going to do. Well hey while you're on the tour with Slayer can you write a new record? You know what I mean? I think just to be honest with you I think we've all put the fact that we would rather him come back with his head fully back into Exodus. Not having to worry about, oh shit I gotta get the record done in the next three months because I gotta go back out with Slayer in three months after that. I think since they've announced that this is it, then we're just going to let it go. See what happens from there. I know there was scheduled writing that was supposed to go on between Tom and Gary this month and next month because Slayer doesn't go back out again until the middle of March.

Steve Souza: I think that what we've planned is we want the best Exodus record that it can be. So, it's not like we gotta run into a studio and go, "Shit. We better go write 10 fucking songs so that we got some product out there." I don't care if it takes six fucking years. When it comes out it's going to be grand and it's going to be great. Gary will then be back full time. So, the ultimate force of us back. Since I've been back and now it's going to be well almost five years. I've played probably more shows with Kragen then I have with Gary. Gary is Exodus. Gary's been on every record. He's the writing direction and lyrical direction and all that sort of thing. So, I can't look at like, well let's go write it and he can come in and play his rhythms and then go back out on the road. We're not trying to cheat the fans like that.

Steve Souza: Everybody still likes to hear Bonded by Blood. For the next year we're going to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Bobby playing that. Playing fabulous. Playing stuff off the Rob Dukes era. You know? There's 10 albums worth of material. There's lots of good songs to play. It's not like you ever get sick of going to an Exodus show. There's always some type of [inaudible 00:12:26] going on. So, we'll continue that for the rest of the year, but it's very much in thought that we have, it's time. To me it's like oh god, I'm just dying. I want to write it so bad. I know how good it will be and I don't want to rush that process or rush him in that process. You know what I mean? I don't want to make him, the four of us call him, "Look we need to get together, put a record together". Everybody knows what the deal is on the table right now.

Speaker 1: It sounds like your patience comes with experience. Have you-

Steve Souza: I think the fans too though. They look at the fact to know, look, Gary's in Slayer. We wish Jeff could be there, but Jeff can't be there. Gary's been there forever and they've now said they're going to say goodbye to the world. Why would I try to jam him? I don't think it's conducive for anybody. That's not conducive for the fans because in the long run you're going to get a record that we hurried through so you guys can have product, and that's not how Exodus has ever worked.

Speaker 3: Have you ever ran into that issue with other bands though? Rushing into an album and-

Steve Souza: I don't think on anybody's part but mine. When I started Hatriot, the band I had with my kids, we put out a record in February 2013 and then put one out in February 2014. That was a lot of work. Bands don't normally put out records every year like that. Full length, 40 minute with epics and leads and then all kinds of vocal stuff on it. I mean if you listen to metal music, especially the type of stuff we play, it's really intricate you know? It's not very easy to play. Drum wise, finger picking wise, your left hand has to be just as good as your right hand and vice versa. There's a lot of things to metal, especially the way we do it. We've always done it that way. Nine minute sounds and two separate lead sections in them. Complete stories in the leads and [inaudible 00:14:35]. Three different verses and all chorus, sub chorus. So, there's a lot going on. So it's not like you throw it together and throw it out and go, "Fuck it. The fans will love it." We don't play that.

Speaker 1: Exactly. Is it normally in the writing process, is it Gary and Tom bringing the anthesis of the idea to the band and then you guys go from there?

Steve Souza: I think that's how it has to work. It's always been that way. I think in any band, any other band that I was in with the guitar and the drums have to get together for the basic structure of it, I guess. Then everybody comes in and puts their flavor on it. That's how it has to be. I think when I remember in the day, there's technology now. Those guys can record something at the studio and send it to me. You go, on my phone you know. You couldn't do that in the eighties. You had to go and listen to it recorded to reel. Recorded on a chip now. Recorded to reel where it had to be exactly like it. It's just different, whole different ball game. Different demographic on that end as well.

Speaker 3: Do you think that changes the music at all with a process like that? With technology at our fingertips?

Steve Souza: No. It makes it easier honestly and I'm going to say I don't need to sing the same chorus three times throughout the song. It doesn't change. Your ear's not going to hear it. You know what I mean? If you like the way it's sung in the melody you may change the approach or the attack a little bit, but it just makes it that much easier for everyone.

Speaker 1: Totally. Going back to what you kind of mentioned. This year I believe marks the 40th anniversary of that incredible record. Is there any-

Steve Souza: I think just of Exodus being around. '85 is the-

Speaker 1: That's right. '85.

Steve Souza: But '79 is when Kirk, Hammett and Tom Hunting put Exodus together. So we've got 40 years this year of that. I think Gary joined the next year and that's when Baloff was in. Then another guy named Jeff Andrews. They put up a picture of it a couple of weeks ago on Instagram. It was great just to see Baloff, and Kirk, and Tom, and Gary, and Jeff Andrews.

Speaker 1: Do you think there's going to be any plans to celebrate this year?

Steve Souza: Well I mean there's plans, there's talk. I just don't know where it's going to go. We'd hate to do it without Gary and Slayer's booked up solid from March to the end of the year. I would think. I mean there's so much for the rest of the world that they have to go over. Again, it's a full world tour for them to say goodbye. There's no timeline. I don't know when that ends. I don't know when the last show it. I have no ... so we'll just have to see what happens with that. I'm sure we'll do something even if we do it with Kragen. Kragen has been a great fill in for Gary. We couldn't have asked for anybody better. Person, guitar player, just all around.

Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome. So, musicianship side of it I gotta ask, what do you really gravitate towards being in the band? Do you enjoy touring? Do you enjoy recording? Do you enjoy the writing process? What really gets you jazzed?

Steve Souza: I dig the writing process. Hate recording. Like to play the shows, just hate the rest of touring.

Speaker 1: All the downsides.

Steve Souza: Shows are the best part of the day. The rest of the tour ... So breaking it down for you. That's about how it is. They all go hand in hand. You can't take one better than the other. You could have it worse. You could be doing something that you don't want to do or don't like and still have to do it because that's life.

Speaker 3: What's your trick of wasting down time on tour?

Steve Souza: Oh shit. There's a lot of tricks. Netflix is a must. Watch nothing during the rest of the year. If you know you're going on tour, don't let anybody tell you. Dude, go watch this on Netflix. Just write it down and then when you get on the road you go and you get into wifi. You download, you check it out, you download. I never watched Breaking Bad before, ever. This summer we had six and a half weeks we had to do in Europe. I watched that whole series in six days. Six days from season one to the last season. All of it in six days. That's where I'm at.

Steve Souza: We had to go from Romania to Hungary and it was like a 12 hour ride. I just sat on the back of the bus, smoked weed and fucking watched Breaking Bad. It was just like, what you do. So then I watched a ton of shows this summer on Netflix. I went through all of Trailer Park Boys again, from the first season to the last. Just anything they had going on. That's what you do. You read. You exercise. If you got time and you know where you're at you go around, but not every city is like, wow let's go check it out. You know what I mean? It's not all like that. You pick and choose your places.

Steve Souza: I look at tour like Groundhog Day.

Speaker 1: The same thing.

Steve Souza: The fucking same thing every single day. Nothing's going to change but the faces a little bit. It's going to be the same pictures. The same autographs. The same line and catering. The same dressing room smell. The same, the same, the same. It's just like that. Hey, if you chose this life right?

Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Steve Souza: Your mom said hey, maybe you should go to school. Fuck that. I'm going to be a rock star mom. Yes. There you go.

Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch all of Breaking Bad in six days!

Steve Souza: Lucky you.

Speaker 1: Well that leads me into my next question then. Through it all from the eighties to now and all that you've done with it. Through the ups and the downs. What fuels you to keep doing it? What fuels you to want to keep getting on stage, wanting to keep recording, keep making music? What fuels you to do that?

Steve Souza: That's what I do. That's what I am. I tell other musicians like this all the time. I'll get around guys that are more major than me and I'll tell them, because I'm very approachable and I approach people. Whoever it is, I've played with everybody believe me. I've been in festivals. I've played a show with every band you can think of. I say this, this is what we are. This is what we were put here to do. This is what we have become. There's no, you're not anything else. You don't sell haberdashery. You're not a car salesmen. This is what you are. Always do this.

Steve Souza: I was saying this to Paul Quinn from Saxon last year at the Metal Hammer awards. I was saying don't ever stop. He's like, "This is what we are. This is what we are." I say that all the time. This is what I am. This is what I've been since I was eight years old listening to Led Zepplin in my father's garage. Now it's a reality. You know what I mean? It's been a reality since '85, '86. With all the bands I've done, playing with my kids in Hatriot. I've done stuff with my guys I've grown up with. Death Patrol to Strapping Young Lad, Tenet, Helped, Legacy, Testament. Got my face in with Exodus. My resume speaks for itself. I'm in the business. This is what I do. This is what I am.

Speaker 1: So, on the other side of that question, from seeing it all from then 'til now. What would be your advice to someone wanting to break into the business now? Especially from the rocker metal side of it.

Steve Souza: I tell them, and I tell everybody the same thing, I have for years. Play music for fun. If it comes at you in the way that you can maybe turn it into something, if you're in the right place at the right time and you have talent, because timing is everything and talent is everything. Then it's great. If you're playing in your garage and 10 people come watch you, you're 10 people ahead. If you play a show and two people buy your tee shirts, you're way ahead of the game right then. Play music for fun, because if you try to go into this business thinking, "I'm going to be a rock star and I'm going to play on stage and I'm going to play sold out concerts" and that shit don't happen, you're going to be bitter on the business. I've seen people say to me, "Man, you fucking got it man. I never did. None of that shit ever happened to me. Man I don't even go to college shows anymore." So you hate the music business because you tried it and didn't become a rock star for whatever fucking reason.

Steve Souza: I tell anybody, kids, whoever asks me what do you do? Play music for fun. Play music and is something extra happens, great. Something extra, extra happens. Great. Something extra, extra, extra, extra happens count every one of them that goes. I'm so fortunate to do press because what if my career is done? Do you understand? There's way to look at it. You know what I mean? It's not like, "Oh I got nothing better today. I'm going to go out and sit around and watch the pigeon shit all over my fence." You know what I mean? Why not? Why not? Why not hang out and talk and see what's up?

Speaker 3: Do you feel like you always carried that mentality or is that something-

Steve Souza: Always do. Always have. Always have. Not a rock star at all. I'm very approachable. You can come to me on tour. If you see me in the grocery store, man it don't matter. I was in the gym the other day. I go to the gym six days a week. I was in the gym the other day and some kid walks by me and he's looking at me, like what the fuck? I got snot hanging out of my nose? He walks up, he didn't even look like a metal head at all. He walks up and he goes, "Are you Steve Souza?" I go, "Yeah. What's up?" He's like, "Dude. I love Temple of the Damned. I'm a huge Exodus fan." I'm like, "Right on bro." We sat there and we talked for a couple of minutes. I see him in the gym every couple days now working out. Some dude you wouldn't even think had any signs of metal in him whatsoever.

Speaker 1: That's so important. You made that dude's day too. He's such a huge fan.

Steve Souza: Believe me. That's another thing. I'm not naïve to that shit. I'm not naïve to how I'm perceived. I get that. I'm cool with that. I know that type of shit is. You know what I mean? If people could get an Exodus tee shirt, but if I give them one it's a different story. I understand that. I get it. Totally. I don't shy away from that. I know that all my friends and the people that are close to me are all cool. They get it. I understand that mentality. I still have my heroes who I look at and dig that kind of shit when I'm in the same room. I understand that demographic of how people, perception of how people ... I'm always cool. My worst fear is that someone's going to have a bad experience with me. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a good fear to have because there's so many people who get into the business for the wrong reasons like you said, become the rock star and then are just so unapproachable. So disconnected from what they are.

Steve Souza: You wanted this so bad. Now it's sitting on your doorstep and it's like, you're a dick. You're a dick to people.

Speaker 1: I did want to bookend that. That's why I think there's heroes in the music business. Some of my heroes I laud because they have that mentality. Eddie Van Halen. Dime Back Daryl. These people, even Dave Grohl.

Speaker 3: It's crazy how many people they effect from that attitude. Now if you become that rock star tomorrow, it's like a chain of positivity. Now you'll put that onto-

Steve Souza: It's always been that way. Us and Suicidal gave them their very first tour in 1990 when Cowboys from Hell came out. Daryl and Vinnie, all of them were always down to earth and had that kind of cool vibe to them. I went out in '92 with Black Sabbath and Dio was the same way. I had a really good friendship relationship with Dio up until he died because of the way he carried himself. You could get his autograph or his picture, anybody could. As long as you wait out there, he wouldn't walk away. He'll sign every last damn thing and take every last picture. I thought that a man of his stature, that was very noble.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It breed community. I think that's one of the things that is so important about metal specifically. When you talk about music as a whole and you break it down into genres and there's all different pros and cons for every different genre that's out there. Metal is always, and will always be a community. It's tight knit, and for the most part very, very-

Steve Souza: Well it's like if you're in a mall man and you walk around somewhere and you see a guy in a metal tee shirt you won't have a problem looking at him and going, "Right on Iron Maiden. Fuck yeah." Nobody else would do that. It's this, I don't know, what do you call it? Illuminati click that we all have amongst each other. You know, you walk down you see some guy and he's got an Exodus tee shirt on, you know he's not wearing it for the fucking logo. You know there's a validity behind that. The thing is now, we're seeing our fans, shit at a way younger age.

Steve Souza: I mean I'm looking out there, they're 11, 10, 14 singing. We did a meet and greet, it was about last year. Had a grandfather, father, son, three generations of fucking Exodus fans that were coming up through. So they're there. Even some nights I go, "All right we're going to go old school right now. Where's the old school guys?" I get a couple of arms going up. It's more like I'm looking out. Again, metal never loses its edge. I guess the music is timeless.

Steve Souza: Listen to Sabbath. The shit came out in '70 and it's still heavy as fucking hell. You know? Anything. Even Zepplin, it's heavy still. It's still rocks. It's still got some bottom to it you know? Listen to the drums in When the Levee Breaks. Just so heavy. Then anything from Maiden to Priest, to whatever. Metal is timeless. I was listening to Hellbent from Leather the other day. Today I had the first Merciful Faith EP album on while I was at the gym. It's killer. Every song is killer. You know?

Steve Souza: You love that shit and that's why I think that, I'm a true metal head too. It's like, I don't just play in a metal band and get paid to do it so I do it. I listen to metal when I'm in my car. It's like whatever. It's metal. Anything from, like I was listening to the first Kiss album the other day just 'cause I hadn't listened to the first Kiss record in fucking ages. I do weird shit like that. I've been on a Megadeath kick lately. So I'm listening to a shit load of Megadeath lately and I'll do that. I'll get into Saxonfest where every day I'm listening to Saxon. I go through these phases. I go through my Slayer phase. I'll go through my Death Metal phase where I'll listen to Obituary and Cannibal Corps and shit like that. Then I'll go hardcore and listen to Hate Breed for a week along with Dead Kennedy's, Ramones. I just switch it up.

Steve Souza: There's no hip hop. There's no country. There's no fucking pop music. You could put a Katy Perry song on right now and I go, "Who the fuck's that?"

Speaker 3: That's a good thing. Is there anybody up and coming? Any of the newer groups that you have your eye on that really-?

Steve Souza: You guys know Power Trip right?

Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Those guys pound.

Steve Souza: Those guys pound. My kids, the new Hatriot record comes out in April and that's without me singing. This is the first one with my son Cody singing. It's fucking, it's definitely a good one man. I got all the songs and I was like, I gave it my blessing straight up. Wow. It's great. That kind of stuff. There's always Havoc and Hatchet, but these bands aren't even newer bands, they've already been around sometime. I love Black [inaudible 00:31:52] Murder. I love Trevor and those guys. I'm friends Aaron Pauley from Of Mice and Men. I don't listen to a lot of Metal Corps, but I love those guys. I switch it up.

Steve Souza: In This Moment sometimes Randy's my friend so I listen to that. If it's hard, it's got edge to it, I'm down. If you're my friend I'll always find a way to see what you're doing. I support all my boys.

Speaker 1: That's awesome. You are an inspiration. You really are because you're, like I said, you're not only in the business, you're part of the business and you're a fan of what you do, of what your peers do.

Steve Souza: That's why I think, that's why it's still good because I haven't lost my edge when it comes to that. You know what I mean? I still know what I want to hear rocks and what's still heavy to me and what's still sounds killer and what I know I can do vocally to that. You know what I mean? It's still that much of ... I think I haven't lost any of that. I think once you do, it's time to maybe get out. Maybe it's time to step out.

Speaker 1: I hope that, that time doesn't come for you any time soon.

Steve Souza: I said I'm dying on stage. I'm going to go like Lemmy. Lemmy played like what? Two months, he played in October. We played with him on the motorboat in October and he passed in December. I know he did shows in Europe after that. So, you know what I mean? I'm going to go like that. Although, unlike Lemmy, I don't drink. I don't smoke cigarettes. I don't do drugs. Smoke a shit load of weed though gentlemen. We're in California. Gotta love that.

Speaker 1: Gotta love that. I can't thank you enough for talking with us because I'm really excited for everything that is in the future for Exodus. Seeing what happens this year and next year with a new record, more tours and all that stuff. I'm obviously in the show going to put all the places, all of our fans and followers can find Exodus. It's very easy. You guys are everywhere on social media and everything else.

Steve Souza: Facebook wide man. You go to anybody's Facebook you find out what the hell they're doing.

Speaker 1: Exactly.

Steve Souza: That's where they go first. Isn't that amazing?

Speaker 1: It's amazing.

Steve Souza: It used to websites. Websites don't do shit anymore. As long as you've got a Facebook, people can find what you're doing. So it's cool.

Speaker 1: Well, Steve, again man thank you so much. This was a hell of a lot of fun talking with you.

Steve Souza: It was a lot of fun too. Thanks. Perfect.