"The intention was to try. Never in a million years did we think we would be doing what we are now." Gabe Crisp, bassist, Whitechapel

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Gabe Crisp was there at the beginning of Whitechapel when it was a local supergroup of band members. He joins the show to talk about the band's origin and how Myspace helped them get international acclaim. Plus Gabe tells stories from the road, reveals how the band writes and records their albums, and details about their upcoming tour celebrating the 10 year anniversary of their first record.

Jeff: Basically, would love to start talking about what just happened. You and the rest of the band from White Chapel, you guys just finished up a short tour over in Europe, right?

Gabe: Yeah, so late summer, early fall, in Europe all over, they have crazy metal festivals every weekend, everywhere. So we just kind of hit those up on the weekends, and then through the week we play little club shows to get by, but yeah. We were over there for three weeks, pretty much played every day.

Jeff: That's awesome. How'd it go? How were all the shows?

Gabe: It's great. We had a time where we just ... Building in Europe is not hard, it just takes effort and going there and making it happen, and when you're first starting out, going over there and doing it cheap in Europe, especially like ten years ago or whatever, internet wasn't like it was ... It felt you were very far from home, but the more and more we go over there, the easier we could make it, and staying in a bus instead of shitty hotels and ... A hotel there is a shitty hotel, you know what I mean?

Dustin: Yeah. Like, "Am I gonna die here?". Have you had any "Am I gonna die here?" moments?

Gabe: Only in, actually, Virginia Beach.

Jeff: Oh my goodness.

Dustin: That's weird.

Gabe: Yeah, dude, we got a gun pulled on us one time, a bunch of us. That was crazy. I mean, nothing happened. It was one of those things where you see a gun and you hear it cock. It was ... There was no contesting that. I just ran.

Dustin: Oh my god.

Gabe: Yeah, it had nothing to do with us. Like, some guy got beat up at the show, I guess? So he felt necessary to go get some buddies and come back and just try to start stuff with whoever was there, and we were just ... I mean, me and White Chapel guys were just kind of standing aside, not in the middle of anything. I think we were just ... The show was over so we were kind of loading gear, and I think one guy tried to get in somebody's face and then, next thing I know I see a gun and everybody's running around, so ...

Jeff: Wow.

Dustin: Oh my god, you travel Europe your whole life and then you go to Virginia Beach one time and somebody pulls a gun. It's like ... That say's something.

Jeff: It does.

Gabe: Europe's not been bad. I've heard some stories with shit. But nah, we have a good time over there. You've just got to watch yourself. There's certain places they tell you not to go too crazy and wander off, but nah, we don't. It's pretty easy to stick around and not do much. We just hang out and stuff like that.

Dustin: I just always imagine wherever you go in Europe is like the movie Hostel. You're just going to get kidnapped and tortured.

Gabe: Yeah, I mean it's definitely in the back of your head anywhere you go, but I think it's like Mexico is bad for that, more than anything, for the touring bands. There's some ... If you go to certain places in South America, and I think Russia, I don't think it's as ... I think sometimes you just get caught up in legal stuff over there, and I've heard bands having guns pulled on them from the government, saying, "If you play ..." kind of thing.

Dustin: Oh my god.

Jeff: Wow.

Gabe: Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. We haven't had any problems with stuff, but we try to-

Jeff: Do you guys tour with security at all, or is just you guys?

Gabe: Nah. I mean, there's security at the shows that's provided when we play shows and stuff, but we don't have personal security.

Dustin: Right.

Gabe: It's easy just to stay out of shit, really. It's not that hard.

Jeff: After you guys just got back from Europe ... I know you guys have toured Europe a bunch actually at this point. Do you have a favorite country to play over there? Or a favorite venue even, or something?

Gabe: Venue? I don't know about venue as much as ... There's big festivals. Download Festival in the UK is really awesome. Any time we're in the Netherlands, I get ... or Belgium, stuff like that. I like good beer, and the vibes over there seem cool. Like Amsterdam and shit like that, definitely pretty nice. I mean, the crowds more than anything ... You're treated very well in Europe. They cater more ... I'm not vegan or vegetarian or anything like that, but we get there ... Back home, you know here, it's talked about a lot but like backstage, you know if you're a vegan, that just means you're getting the past without the sauce today or something like that. You go there, they have their own like ... It looks like a freaking delicacy. They take care of you very well in Europe, and that's probably the biggest draw. I mean, that and then the fans are super loyal.

Dustin: Yeah.

Jeff: Yeah. I've heard that from other bands too is, it's more of an experience in Europe, to go to see live music. That has really fallen to the wayside in America, which is a shame.

Gabe: For us, like it ... You know, like there's the Bonnaroo's. I'm from Tennessee. I've never been but its like an hour and half away from where I live.

Jeff: Right.

Gabe: There's 150,000 people there, but you would never see ... I dunno, maybe Mastodon might have got to play, or Tool, or something. But we would never get offered that slot because we're ... For whatever reason we're not promoting the same vibes that they're trying to promote or whatever they might say.

Jeff: You would scare the kids!

Dustin: Yeah it's a lot of like, jam bands and stuff like that. So-

Jeff:: Yeah.

Gabe: But see, the difference in Europe is those 150,000 people fests, they're headlined by Kiss and freaking' Ozzy Osborne.

Dustin: Right!

Gabe: You know, its just not the same draw.

Jeff: Yeah.

Gabe: Metal's just cooler over there.

Jeff: Yeah.

Gabe: Its pretty much how it is. I mean, not that it's not cool here, but grand scale it's definitely bigger.

Jeff: So White Chapel is predominately ... I mean, you guys are billed as a death-core band. But I mean, you're metal through and through. And you guys were started in 2006. And you been there since the beginning. What was ... Can we talk a little bit about the inception of the band? I know the name comes from Jack the Ripper.

Gabe: Right.

Jeff: And where his murders kinda happened. So was that idea what spawned, "Hey, let's start a metal band!" Or was it the other way around? How did it all kinda coalesce?

Gabe: Its just like what was cool at the time and what all of our friends, like all of us we listened to. That was, the "death-core genre", I guess it was kind of just beginning if anything. Because we were like one of the, supposedly one of the forefront in that whole idea of metal.

Jeff: Definitely.

Gabe: Basically it was just what we were listening to at the time. We wanted to play seven strings and play metal and have some breakdowns. We're 20 years old, that's what was cool at the time. That's how it started. There was local bands that were ... There was two different local bands, or maybe three the guys in the band made up, and I was just kinda friends with all of them. Right place at the right time. They knew I was a bass player and they offered me up to play in this new, pretty much like a local band super group, and they told me it was called White Chapel.
Basically it was members of an old band were trying to get another bands members to join them to make this local supergroup, basically.

Jeff: Awesome.

Gabe: So I was just kinda in the middle of things and it first of all about didn't happen because there was two guitar player already in the band. And they were trying to get me as a bass player because we had a drummer. And the thing that the guys were talking about. And then Alex, which was, he wrote a lot of music and was big in the scene and would have been good for ... Really good with booking shows in the beginning and stuff like that. So it pretty much almost didn't happen simply because three guitars, like why would be need that? That's stupid. Ah screw it, let's not do it. You know. We can't really kick anybody out, it's not our band yet. Like, we can't start out by kicking someone out. That's just not how it's worth it.

Dustin: That's not good-

Gabe: Yeah. So, I mean, at 20 years old we knew that no matter what it would be fun to do it. And a couple weeks of convincing and writing a song and have somebody's solo over a part that two guitars ... You know it just made sense. We wrote three guitar parts and we said, "Fuck it, Lynyrd Skynyrd does it, so let's do it."
The logistics, you know, anything about it was not looked at. It was literally just the thought of we wanna go out and play music and we're all friends so let's do it.

Dustin: Awesome.

Jeff: What got you into picking up a bass guitar? What influenced you to start playing bass?

Gabe: Green day, basically.

Dustin: Ah, me too! Ah that's awesome!

Gabe: I can't say anything else besides Mike Dirnt is the only reason. I mean it's ... He pretty ... Like when I listen to that band, they're not only my favorite band when I was a young teenager, 5th grade laying on my back listening to CD's all day long, but he kinda made the bass cool. Three piece band. You actually hear him pretty much playing leads and stuff like that. I dunno-

Dustin: He stays so busy. I feel like he's so underrated. You hear him under the music just being a maniac. He's so awesome.

Gabe: Yeah, he's a great dude too from what I know. I actually had the opportunity to ... I used to play Fender guitars and I still play Fender amps and cabs and stuff. We were gonna go to Australia and play what's called Sound Wave, I think it's not even a thing anymore. But it's a big festival tour in Australia and Green Day was headlining. And it was proposed to me that I would be able to go there and interview him and have him interview me for Fender, or something. You know, something that was like, "Right? Oh yeah."

Dustin:: Right.

Gabe: That's ... Because they knew ... Because I ... With my ... People know I'm Fender. Like I bought his signature guitar and stuff like that because I just loved it. So they knew I loved him and the band and they thought that'd be cool. I think it was like two weeks before we were supposed to go ... Or not even two weeks, like a week before we were supposed to go, our singer's grandfather died. So yeah, it was big. It hurt him pretty bad and he didn't feel like getting in a plane, flying 20 hours. It was like his dad so we definitely understand. Its that whole thing sucks, but yeah.

Dustin: Well, maybe one day you'll get to actually get that interview done man. I got to meet him at Warped Tour probably like in ... Jesus I was young. It was like 1998 or something and I got to meet him and he was just such a nice and kind dude. You could tell right off the bat. He was just super cool.

Gabe: Yeah, I got a pretty cool Green Day story as far as that goes. I went and watched them when I was 17, and was one of those kids that hung out outside, and waited for their autographs and stuff, and met them. It was basically, I seen 20 models... Long story short, I watched these guys walk on their bus followed by like 20 model quality girls. Not even joking. They looked at us and said, "Hey, we're gonna go take care of some business. We'll be back in a minute." It wasn't like a perverted situation or, you know like they were gonna ... Crazy.

Jeff: Right.

Gabe: Like I think they're all married and stuff. But it was one of those things where they went on the bus and they said they'd be out in a little bit. Kinda didn't figure they would but 20 minutes later they come and signed everything, hung out, shook hands. And I mean, those guys are freaking' rock stars.

Jeff: Yeah.

Gabe: At that time they were on top of the world, and still are. But they ... It was cool.

Jeff: That's awesome!

Dustin: It's always really cool to see icons take the time to actually take care of their fans, and actually carve out and purposely pay attention to them. I think that really goes a long way. We kind of all remember when that has happened with this person or that person.

Gabe: I mean, when you look up to somebody so much and you finally do meet them and they treat you like crap, it definitely is a-

Dustin: Yeah, it's a dream killer.

Gabe: Yeah. I mean, those guys ... I was still young, had no idea I was ever going to be in a band and tour and somebody would ever ask me for my autograph. But those guys had every reason not to give me the time of day and they definitely did and I'll never forget it. Nothing but positive things to say.

Dustin:Have you ever gotten the opportunity to do that yourself? Just actually be able to stop and take time to take care of your fans?

Gabe: Of course. I mean, like that's ... Honestly for me, I feel I'm still at the point where it's like, you really do want my autograph. Alright sure, you can have it. You know what I mean? But like I question ... Alright ... But if ... Same situation. If we were on tour, someone would let us know that there was people outside waiting for ... If anything, one person goes outside, shakes some hands and then I come up on the bus 20 minutes later and there's a piece of paper said, "Hey man, there were some kids here. Sign this and I'm gonna go find them and give it back to them." You know, something as easy as that, like ... We do ... I mean, my thing, I like to ... We do little meet and greets after the show and stuff. You know, like shake hands and take pictures. And basically a sanctioned place that, you know, its made to do it so no one feels awkward and its not sketchy or anything.

Jeff: That's awesome though.

Dustin: Yeah.

Jeff: When you guys started ... So you kinda touched on this a little bit. When you guys started the band it was, you know, the idea of like this local supergroup kinda thing. When did it kind of go to the point where, "Ah man, let's try and do this as a career." Like, was that always the goal from the inception?

Gabe: Yeah, that was ... I mean that was it. Because the local supergroup thing ... I mean, that sounds dumb but basically there's local bands and when we played ... When we formed White Chapel we headlined our first show, if that makes sense.

Jeff: Whoa.

Gabe: We never played below anybody that was around here because it was made up of the bands that were already headlining. So it's like-

Dustin: Right.

Jeff: You were already established in that scene?

Gabe: Exactly.

Jeff: Yeah.

Gabe: When we got together we went to Hooters one night, I remember. And it was one of those things that was like, should we do this? I had a ... I got outta school and got a factory job but I was making decent money. Bought a car and all this stuff. It was one of those things like ... You're gonna have to sell your car. Living situation might not be here but it was one of those things where we believed in it enough that we wanted to at least try. Never in a million years thought we would be doing what we're doing now. But the intention was to try-

Dustin: Right.

Gabe: Everything we could. And at that time, MySpace was huge and we lucked out on that because one of our first tours ever, if not the first tour ever, there was more kids that knew more words and the songs than the kids from our home town that grew up in the last couple of years listening to us all the time.

Jeff: Wow! So you guys really gained a lot of influence because of the early days of what you said, like MySpace and the internet and stuff like that?

Gabe: MySpace is why we were able to go out and be as successful as we were in the beginning. For sure.

Jeff: Wow. That's incredible in the landscape that we're in today because you don't even think about it. I mean, most bands when they form today the first thing is, is like, "I gotta make a website or I gotta get on BandCamp or I gotta put my music out on the internet somehow." You know? It's like ... Was that ... Was it something so new for you guys? Was it kinda like a learning curve to utilize something like that to make it?

Gabe: It was a couple things ... We were ... It's like all about right place at the right time. So we were in the know, per se, when it'd come to music and MySpace because that's what ... We were 20 years old, that's what we did. You listen to music on MySpace. With the top 8 or whatever they had back in the day, if you had a couple hours on your hands, and you could go listen to a band. You go to a bands page and click on one of their songs and look through their top 8 and find 8 other bands that you could listen to and get lost in this rabbit hole that goes 8 here. And then the next band, 8 here. And it's all friends of friends. And you're not gonna put somebody on the top 8 that doesn't sound like you or influences you. You could literally sit on MySpace and find music very easily. I mean, I'm sure that you could do that on YouTube and stuff like that now, but when we were ... When I was 20 years old, or 18, 19, whatever, MySpace ... It pretty much was how I found every band that I listened to at that time.

Jeff: Totally. I was exactly with you. I mean like-

Dustin: I'm almost nostalgic over that. I forgot about all that.

Jeff: Remember, you could embed music on your page too so people would come to your page, the track would play, or you could have-

Gabe: Exactly.

Jeff: A listing of tracks play. And yeah, it was an incredible community. And MySpace was born from bands. It really was, whereas Facebook was born as the idea of-

Dustin: It was born from college.

Jeff: College. You know, and like college students and stuff like that. MySpace was born around bands and its cool to hear that it directly influenced the success that you guys achieved and something like that. Because, like I said, that's the landscape we live in now. But that was so new back then.

Dustin: How quick did it take off for you guys as far as when you started, you know, gaining some ground? Did you right off the bat sell your car, go on tour, start making money?

Gabe: That's kinda weird. The first ... Let's try to say here ... The first year the band was together we were just the local band and then we did the weekend warrior stuff. And then we were contacted from a label in the UK that wanted to put our CD out and they wanted to bring us over there. And it kinda made it look more real, you know what I mean? We were gonna go to the UK and play shows.

Dustin: Like you're legit?

Gabe: Yeah. It felt like, you know what I mean, it wasn't Warner Brothers coming to us but it was ... When the band said they wanted to be signed. We were going to be signed by a label.

Dustin: Yeah.

Jeff: Yeah.

Gabe: I remember going ... You know, I still lived at my parents house. And I walked in my parents room, and I was like, "Hey we're gonna get signed." And dad's kinda like, "Alright, well that's good." And just like ... Whatever that was like, "Mom I'm gonna go play in the UK. I'm gonna go play a show in London, I think, coming up." And they're like, "Okay. I guess this is real." And they've always supported it and all that stuff. But money, I don't remember ever making much money, no.

Jeff: You know, it's the plight of the musician. It really is. You do it for the love obviously. But there's never ... No matter what type of music you play, it's not like you're gonna become a Rockefeller out of it.

Gabe: Yeah. Like I said, the first conversation was everybody like, "What bills do you have?" Alright. Well you're not gonna be. Just don't have those bills. So it meant living at home. And one thing that we did in the beginning and we've always done and still do, is the bands pay for our cell phones. When you were 20 years old that was probably ... If you didn't have a car you were paying on ... If you owned your car and you lived at home, then that's pretty much the only bill you had..

Jeff: Right.

Gabe: So the band took care of that. And you just pretty much had your ... You were taken care of. I've never not had money or anything like that, per se, but it wasn't like I was rich by any means.

Dustin:: Right. You've never gone hungry but you're not like a baller.

Jeff: Right.

Gabe: I don't think that the band that I'm in is ever going to make me a billionaire, you know what I mean? In like, it's not the poppy, Justin Timberlake stuff. But we're able to go play music around the world and see the world. And I make as much money as I would if I was going anything else probably.

Dustin: So going off that, you know, it's obviously ... It's not about the cash, although you're doing okay. What fuels you to keep on going out every day, going out on all these tours, making albums, which you guys have made 6 in the last 10 years, which is very impressive. What fuels you to keep going?

Gabe: It's just, that is life. You know what I mean? That's what we've known for our adult years. And for me, that's ... There's nothing better than my job when I'm okay with ... You know, I don't wanna be gone all the time, certain things suck ... But the way that we've been able to do this and last, and we're able to tour now, it's comfortable enough that there's nothing that I would rather do. You know what I mean? We've played in front of 30,000 people or something, you know, a couple of those fests in Europe, which to say that out loud just sounds kinda crazy. But yeah, you know, you can't really compare that to anything else really.

Jeff: Right.

Dustin: How long do you think you're gonna keep it rolling? How long could you do this for?

Gabe: As long as everybody wants to do it. I mean, as long as we're still ... As long as people still come to the shows and as long as people still buy CD's. Well not really ... Buying CD's isn't really-

Dustin: CD's and MySpace! What are these things?

Gabe: But yeah, as long as there's people coming to the shows ... In Europe man, every time we go back over there its always bigger and better so its cool. In the states, its like, there's plateaus with how music goes and genres and ... That's just how things are. We've never went on tour and not felt like it was worth it. If that makes sense?

Jeff: Yeah. Well, last year we saw the 6th album you guys came out with, Mark of the Blade, to rave reviews. You guys have been touring really hard on that and pushing that. And it was just announced that starting in November you guys are gonna be going back out on tour because you guys seem to never stop.

Gabe: Right.

Jeff: And this is going to be your 10th anniversary tour of your debut album, correct?

Gabe: Yeah, so we're gonna play ... I think they titled it a celebration of the first record, so we're not gonna play the whole thing. I think we would ... I dunno. I think some people probably want us to, but for us we're just play 4 or 5 songs off that record that we feel will still come across cool and we still wanna play, and still have fun playing. And then, after that we'll probably do a regular medley of all the hit tracks, per se.

Jeff: Do you still play any of those songs in sets right now? Or are you dusting off all the stuff for it?

Gabe: Yeah we do. We've always tried to keep a couple of those songs. We try to play a couple songs from every record really where we go.

Jeff: Yeah.

Gabe: And, a couple of the ... Some of the old stuff, you know, that's the only thing that some of these kids know. I say kids, but they're as old as me now probably if they listen to that. But, there's a lot of people that don't know that stuff either so you kinda gotta go back and forth. And really, we just try to play ... We don't try to play the same thing every time, but there's certain songs that we know are gonna go over well and some of them are the old songs, but some of them ... Some of those songs we haven't played in ten years that we'll probably bring out a couple of those for sure.

Dustin: Right.

Jeff: And, I have to ask. In August of this year you guys parted ways with your drummer.

Gabe: Right.

Jeff: And in this last couple tours you've been drumming ... You've been touring with drummer Chason Westmoreland and to rave reviews. He seems to be a great fit for the band. Is that gonna continue or are you guys looking for a permanent fix for that position or?

Gabe: Yeah, I mean, with Chase ... We just had our old drummer ... Like I said, as long as people wanna do it, we're gonna be here.

Jeff: Right.

Gabe: We can't expect everybody to do this forever and that's one of those things. There's no hard feelings. It's just separated but at the same time, we're gonna keep going. And we had people that were interested, and we'd all known Chason ... I hadn't personally known him but had known his playing. We were stoked to get him out and it was cool to have ... He's playing our old drummers parts and stuff, but it was cool to hear a different take.

Dustin: Mm-hmm (affirmative)-

Gabe: It definitely didn't feel like there's ... You know, it didn't take long. He's a great drummer. He learned the songs, came out, and we ... You'll see him this fall, or winter I guess it would be.

Jeff:: He will be on the 10th anniversary tour?

Gabe: Yeah, unless something bad happens. As far as I know he's gonna be there.

Jeff: Very cool, very cool. Well, like you've said you already gone out, played a bunch of shows with him already, so the comfortability factor is there, which is good.

Gabe: Yeah, we don't wanna go have like a new drummer every time we go out. Fans become partial to people. We've been doing this for 10 years and like you said, had 6 records. So we're not gonna just get somebody in the bad tomorrow kinda thing. We're gonna make somebody try out ... What you call it, I guess. [inaudible 00:25:37] Hang out. Everybody meshes and it makes sense. And you wanna write records with us and be a part of this and go at it 110%, then that's what we're looking for. For sure.

Jeff: Awesome.

Dustin: Fan dynamics can be pretty tricky sometimes. I mean, it's very important to have good chemistry but with a lot of bands there's a lot of strong personalities. Do you feel like you guys get along very well? Like, how does that go?

Gabe: Yeah, I mean, there's no arguments ever. I mean ... People get upset ... I mean, it's one of those things like you live in a small fuckin' area with someone for months, you know things happen. But we've been doing this for so long, you know what pisses someone off, or when you don't wanna be around ... You know, we're all family at this point. Its kinda maybe cliché to say that but these are people that I've spent literally years with. You know, not leaving.
You tour with bands for 3-4 weeks and you become brothers with them. Well, I'm ... How close would you get to the people that are in your actual band that you're with every time? You know, you go out. You get close, and you know what's up, and everybody's there to do the same thing so you kinda work together to become ... You know, make everything work out where it needs to.

Jeff: Yeah. Speaking of working together. What is the writing process like for White Chapel? Do you guy's all write together or is it a singular idea that's kinda fleshed out or?

Gabe: So there's ... It's very I guess, 2017 of us. But everyone has their own ... When I say everyone, like the guitar players. You know, like 3 or 4 guys will probably write the majority of the material.

Dustin:: Mm-hmm (affirmative)

Gabe: And at home, you know, coming together. Here's some ideas. And then when we're going to record a record, everybody's there together to give input to make it a song. So like, everyone's putting together ideas at home individually, and then 3 or 4 more than everybody else have ... But then, everybody is writing by the time record is released. There's input from everybody if that makes sense.

Jeff: That does make sense. That's really cool to hear actually. And this might be too early to ask because Mark of the Blade did come out just last year, but are you guys working on new material yet?

Gabe: Yeah, so with us and how the industry is, if you're not putting out new material, if you're not touring, then you're not driving the business. You're not fueling the machine. You will see a lot more records coming out from bands just because that's how you stay afloat. It is ... Not only is it you're getting the new songs out to tour, but its like, that's just how you make money really. You have to ... You can't play the same stuff all the time. It's just not how it works. You have to be driving. And when we're at home it's pretty much a known thing you have to be doing something at all times.

Jeff: Yeah. I mean, like I said. As much as I can tell from the inception of the band til now, you guys have hit the ground running and have never stopped. I mean, so many tours under your belt, six full length albums. To the point where ... I mean, you're at the point in your career now where you're about to go on a tour as a retrospective of your first album. Does that screw with your brain a little? Like, is it weird to have that milestone?

Gabe: The only reason it's not is because I feel like it's what every band is doing right now.

Jeff: Its true. It is true.

Gabe: I think that's why we try to talk ourself out of it for so long is because it just seemed like that was what the cash grab at the time. "Well, we've been a band for ten years, let's play the old stuff." And I felt like every single band was coming out with something to that effect. And eventually it was just one of those things we're talking about, its like, "Well, why not?" You know what I mean? If people want it, and it's the reason why we're here, lets ... That's another reason why I'm gonna say we're gonna play like five songs maybe off of the nine or 10 ... I can't remember how many songs are on it. Probably nine or ten. But we're not gonna play the whole thing. We're just gonna play four or five songs off that record and then go into a more normal set after that.

Jeff: Wow. That just sounds amazing. Like I said, that tour is gonna start in November, for all of our listeners out there. And finally I wanna ask. For people, obviously to follow the band White Chapel that's very easy on all social media. You can go over and find White Chapel, but if they wanna follow you specifically Gabe, do you do social media? Is there anything you wanna shout out?

Gabe: Yeah, I mean, I just have a Twitter. I don't have a Facebook or Instagram or anything. I just got on Twitter and I decided that was enough for me years and years ago, and I never fell into the Facebook or Instagram thing. Its just @gabecrisp I'm pretty sure.

Jeff: Okay. Yeah. That's super easy to find. We'll obviously tag you in that.

Dustin: And how can they find you on MySpace?

Gabe: Yeah, right? I'm sure I'm still out there some ... Actually I had to ... I think I got it deleted. I was able to, with my connections in the biz, I didn't have my old email to go in there and actually delete it or some shit. And I was able to talk to somebody and they were able to go, like somebody at MySpace or something, was able to go in there and actually delete it. I'm pretty sure.

Jeff: You know, that is no joke. And I'll tell you a quick story as we're finishing up here. I was in an old band and we ... When MySpace was kind of re-evaluated itself ... This was about gosh, five years ago at this point probably. We got it into our head, "Hey wouldn't it be great to unlock that old profile and then make a new profile?" And we couldn't unlock the profile, and we couldn't make a new profile because that profile was still there with that band name. So I had to jump through so many hoops to the point where me and the singer had to take a picture of ourselves with our licenses in the picture, and send it to MySpace to prove that we were who we were and they would allow then us to delete the page. It was crazy.

Gabe: That is crazy. I remember wanting to get mine deleted for whatever reason and I was able to ... Somebody was like, "Yeah, I know somebody at MySpace. I can get it deleted." And I'm like, "Really? Alright."

Jeff: You are super lucky man. Well, again, thank you so much for taking time to talk to us. And, good luck-

Gabe: Nah man, I definitely appreciate you even caring enough to give me a shout.

Jeff: Ah man, you're ... We're always interested in talking to interesting people and you are definitely one of those. And good luck on all of your endeavors coming up and we'll be looking for you out on the road.

Dustin: Yeah, hopefully we'll be able to catch you when you come around this area.

Gabe: Will say. If you there's any show that you guys are near, let me know. And we'll hang out.

Dustin:: I think we were eyeballing Poughkeepsie, maybe. Because that's not too far from us.

Gabe: Yeah, we'll do it. We'll drink some coffee.