VINCENT PRICE - BODY COUNT

"My drug is music. My passion is music. I don't have any other. It keeps me young. It's my coffee when I can't have coffee." Vincent Price, bassist, singer, guitar tech - Body Count

ABOUT VINCENT PRICE:

Vincent Price joined the heavy metal band Body Count in 2001, but has been working in the music industry as a bassist and guitar tech for much longer. Hear his story, his passion for music, and how Body Count wrote and recorded their newest album, Carnivore.

TRANSCRIPT:

Jeff:
Vincent, thanks so much for joining me today. I want to start like I've been doing with these last few episodes, kind of in the now of where we're at, because the world is weird.

Vincent Price:
Yeah, it is.

Jeff:
I have to ask you just to start off, how are you doing, man? Are you okay?

Vincent Price:
I'm fine. Just everybody else, it's like... I mean, the whole thing is... Everybody's got to realize that considering who's the president, no matter who's in charge, America will get through this. We've gotten through everything. Everybody's got to be strong and stay positive, and be around their loved ones as much as they can, because once this is over, we're going to be away from our loved ones.

Vincent Price:
It's going to get crazy. As soon as we get the green light to basically go out and do whatever, nobody's going to be nowhere to be found, because everybody's going to be wanting to go here, wanting to go there, wanting to go here, wanting to go there. It's going to be crazy.

Jeff:
Yeah, yeah, it really is. I know from the music side of things too, because I've been talking to a lot of people in the music community, this has been affecting your industry as much or more than so many. I think I saw a couple cancellations. You guys have had to cancel some shows and everything, right?

Vincent Price:
I canceled some shows. Also, what I do for a living, I'm a guitar tech.

Jeff:
Right.

Vincent Price:
Yeah. Yeah, it's put everything on hold for basically the music industry, the entertainment industry, period.

Jeff:
Yeah, yeah, it's rough.

Vincent Price:
Ice just shut down Law and Order.

Jeff:
Right. I didn't even think of that. Right, yeah.

Vincent Price:
So he's not filming right now.

Jeff:
Oh my gosh.

Vincent Price:
Yeah. Yeah, so everybody's affected everywhere.

Jeff:
Are you guys staying in contact more? You guys on the phone more?

Vincent Price:
Yeah, not as much. I talked to him the other day, because I had surgery.

Jeff:
For what? For what?

Vincent Price:
He thought maybe I had the coronavirus.

Jeff:
No. What'd you have surgery for?

Vincent Price:
Well, I had an accident two years ago at the Chicago Open Air.

Jeff:
I remember this.

Vincent Price:
Yeah. Well, I was living with metal all in my legs for two years. I was like, "All right, it's time to get this crap out of me," because I don't want to become some 60-year-old, 70-year-old man with metal in their legs.

Jeff:
Right, right.

Vincent Price:
So I said, "All right. Well, it's time..." Yeah, so I got everything out.

Jeff:
Excellent. That's great to hear.

Vincent Price:
They got the metal out of my body, but not out of my soul.

Jeff:
Darn right. We wouldn't want it any other way. I'll tell you this for nothing, one thing that's going to happen when we come... We're all going to come out of this, like you said. We can do this. We're all going to come out of this at the other end, and we're going to be a different society. But I know what I'm going to do, I'm going to go see a Body Count show-

Vincent Price:
Nice.

Jeff:
... as soon as this is over, because... I'm going to go see every show possible.

Vincent Price:
Right. Exactly, exactly.

Jeff:
As a music fan, I definitely... It's so funny how... I think this is one good thing that might come out of it. I personally am at fault for this, where I love live music. I'd been in bands, so I love to perform. But I also love to go and see live music. But in the last few years, I've gotten older. Sometimes a band that comes to my area or is coming around in travel distance, and instead of immediately getting in my car and going out to that band, I'll be like, "I'm going to go see them the next time." Like, "I'm a little tired tonight," or whatever. It's like, "I'm never doing that again. I'm going to every show ever now."

Vincent Price:
Yeah.

Jeff:
Oh man.

Vincent Price:
That's how it's going to be.

Jeff:
Yeah, exactly, exactly. You brought it up just at the top there, and I wanted to talk about that, actually. You, outside of playing for Body Count, you are a guitar tech. How did you get into that industry?

Vincent Price:
It's how I got started into music, just hanging out with bands and lugging their gear and stuff like that. But for me, I started building my own guitars when I started playing music, so I had a knowledge on how to work on guitars forever.

Vincent Price:
A friend of mine used to come by my place, and he used to go, "Man, Vince, you've got guitar parts scattered everywhere. What's this?" I used to show him how to build guitars. Now that guy is one of the biggest guitar techs there is. His name's Takumi. Yeah. I don't know if you know Takumi or not. Well, that guy, me and him, we've been friends forever. But yeah, I've been working on guitars forever. And then he's been a guitar tech forever. I mean, he tells people every time he meets, "Hey, if it wasn't for Vince, I wouldn't be in this whole thing."

Vincent Price:
But anyways, he was doing it for a long time. I was following him, and I was playing in bands, working on my 9:00 to 5:00 gig and everything, watching what he does. I'm like, "Damn, he's traveling all over the world. He's doing this, he's doing that." Then one time he invited me in 1999 to go and help him work for Prince.

Jeff:
Oh my gosh.

Vincent Price:
Yeah. I used to take little two week vacations off from working or whatever, but he invited me to come down and hang out with him. But I was there hanging out. But at the same time, he was giving me a learning experience.

Jeff:
Wow.

Vincent Price:
He was like, "Okay, go see this guy. Go get your per diem." I'm like, "What the hell is per diem? I don't know what that is." So I go down the hallway, and this guy gives me a wad full of cash I'd never seen in my whole entire life. I signed my name and I go, "Okay." I go to him, I'm like, "Dude gave me all this money." He goes, "Well, yeah, that's your money for being here per day. But we're paying you on top of that." I'm like, "What?"

Vincent Price:
After a whole three day in Vegas trip, and me realizing I made more money than I made in a long time by working for him... Here's another thing too. He intro... I don't know, he... You know Sly and the Family Stone is, obviously.

Jeff:
Yeah.

Vincent Price:
Well, do you know who Cindy and Jerry is?

Jeff:
Not off the top of my head. I'm sorry.

Vincent Price:
Well, Cindy on the horn, Jerry blah, blah, blah.

Jeff:
Okay, yeah.

Vincent Price:
Yeah. Well, he introduces me to them, because they're in Prince's horn section.

Jeff:
Oh my gosh.

Vincent Price:
Then I'm like, "No way. Cindy and Jerry." When he leaves the table, he goes, "By the way, you're getting paid more than them." I'm like, "What?"

Jeff:
What?

Vincent Price:
"What are you talking about?" He goes, "Yeah, for being here, you're getting paid more than them." I'm like, "Wait a minute. Whoa. Slow down." Rewinding bank then, I learned to be a guitar tech, and you get more than the musicians.

Jeff:
Wow.

Vincent Price:
In 2002, I believe it was, I quit my 9:00 to 5:00 gig. My first actual touring gig was HammerFall and Soilwork.

Jeff:
Wow.

Vincent Price:
After that, because... I'll tell you the whole story. I was working at a tape duplicating company, and I was doing my 9:00 to 5:00. Takumi invited me out that one time. But the guys on the Prince crew, they liked me and everything. They're like, "Man, we got to take Vince on the road." Takumi goes, "Hey, he's not ready yet." Well, I mean, he was right. I wasn't.

Vincent Price:
So when it came for me to do... Because I will take like a two week vacation to go do my own bands and do my own tours and stuff like that for my own bands, my two weeks vacation from working. And then so my job got bought up by another company. I was in a dead-end job. I was like, "Hey..." My label at the time, Nuclear Blast, they needed a guitar tech for Soilwork and HammerFall, and they didn't know I did this stuff.

Vincent Price:
So they gave me the gig. I basically told my job, I'm like, "Two week vacation." I went so to go on tour with Hammer... I told them I was playing with my own band. I didn't tell them I was going to work for another band. I'd just go, "Yeah, my band's got a... We're doing another tour. Can I have two weeks?" And they said, "Yeah." I never went back to work.

Jeff:
Oh my gosh. That's crazy.

Vincent Price:
I've been teching ever since.

Jeff:
That's so crazy. That's awesome though. I mean, you start off with just the love of it, and then you realize, "Wait a minute. Not only do I like this, but I get to make a lot of money." That's so great. That's amazing.

Vincent Price:
Yeah. Everybody knows these days, you don't make money selling records.

Jeff:
Of course not. Yeah, it's touring and-

Vincent Price:
Okay? Yeah.

Jeff:
Yeah.

Vincent Price:
Basically, Ice's day job is an actor. My day job is being a guitar tech and traveling all over the world and working for all these different musicians.

Jeff:
Wow, that's so cool. I've got to ask then, before you joined up with Body Count, did you ever tech for them?

Vincent Price:
I teched for Body Count, and I still tech for Body Count.

Jeff:
So you double dip.

Vincent Price:
Only reason why I'm saying that was basically when I first joined the band, they actually... When I first joined the band, I saw them go through all these different members and everything, because I... Where they rehearse when they were... Not starting out, but when they were just Body Count as the original band, I used to rehearse at a rehearsal studio where they rehearsed. I used to work there.

Jeff:
No shit.

Vincent Price:
That was my night gig and that was my after my 9:00 to 5:00 gig. That was my 6:00 to 12:00 gig. My weekend gig was basically running the rehearsal studio.

Vincent Price:
Those guys used to always... I'd see those guys. Our rehearsal's at this place where we worked. We had the keys to all the rooms, and we'd clean up after the bands. The bands had their gear and everything. I used to just go and... Wow. I'd just check out everybody's gear and stuff like that. But with Body Count, I used to have to go in there and turn the PA on, get their levels and everything set and everything, and then close the door and let them rehearse.

Jeff:
Damn.

Vincent Price:
Yeah, so that was that. When I first joined the band, I had to basically clean up the mess from all these people that called themselves guitar techs, who actually were just roadies, because they had no idea what the hell they were doing. They just had their friends and people hanging out, moving their gear. So they really never had any guitar techs.

Jeff:
Wow.

Vincent Price:
So I've been cleaning up, rebuilding, working on guitars, and building pedalboards since now. But now I got it to where we... I brought in techs that work for us.

Jeff:
Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, what a cool, I don't know, just random way of... Where circles coincide like that. You were working at the studio, and all these other bands are playing there, and never... In the very beginning of all that, it's not like you're thinking, "I'm going to join this band one day." It's just-

Vincent Price:
Yeah, I mean, the first band I played with that was rehearsing there was Prong. I was in Prong for awhile.

Jeff:
Yeah. How many years were you in Prong?

Vincent Price:
It wasn't many years at all. It was just three shows.

Jeff:
Three shows. Three shows. Yeah, I wanted to say a year, but yeah, yeah.

Vincent Price:
Yeah, it was only three shows. Blasko came in and took the gig.

Jeff:
Yeah, yeah. All the different bands that you've been in, even leading up to Body Count, I mean, it all stems from... You obviously, like you said, you got into guitar tech because you were interested in guitars, you were building guitars and stuff like that. Where's the other side of that? Where is the moment in your life, maybe when you were younger, where you wanted to pick up an instrument and like, "I want to perform in a band. I want to play in a band."? Did you have that moment at all?

Vincent Price:
I had that moment when I first... My first concert was Parliament-Funkadelic.

Jeff:
Really? Awesome.

Vincent Price:
I was there in '77. My mom and my aunt took me there to the Forum, and I saw that band. Then I used to see... Well, not anymore, because it doesn't happen. But in the '70s and in the '80s, bands used to perform in parks. They used to go around just setting up in a park, and you just go watch a band play. Then I start watching concerts, and then I would stay up. My mom had to put me to bed, but I would stay up watching Don Kirshner's Midnight Special. I was always watching that stuff. Soul Train. All the music stuff.

Vincent Price:
I had friends that had bands and stuff like that. I'd just follow them, watch them. Yeah, and I was like, "I want to do that." I saw all the movies, The Song Remains the Same, just all that stuff. Just everything.

Vincent Price:
It's like now it's cool because there's so many bands... What I'm doing right now, basically while I'm being quarantined or quarantining myself, I've just been watching a lot of DVDs, concerts, and everything.

Jeff:
Yeah, me too.

Vincent Price:
But that's all I've been doing is basically... I mean, I've been doing music all my life. I was playing in punk rock bands, and I started with two-string bass. Then all of a sudden, I'm like, "Get a singer that used to be a bass player that has a four-string bass." They're like, "Hey Vince, just play more on the strings. Go doo, doo, doo, doo, doo." I'm like, "All right, whatever. Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah." Then I heard Steve Harris, and he was like, "Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah," everywhere. I'm like, "All right, I want to be Steve Harris." That was it.

Vincent Price:
I heard Steve Harris. Then after Steve Harris, I'm like, "Well, there was people before Steve Harris." There was John Paul Jones, Geezer Butler, and stuff like that. Then that was it. I was metal.

Jeff:
Yes.

Vincent Price:
But I never lost my love for punk rock. My favorite band today is still Discharge, just because the energy they bring. When I first saw them, like '80 or '90. I don't remember. What was... It was like '86 or '90 or something like that when I first saw Discharge.

Jeff:
Too long ago.

Vincent Price:
Yeah. It would just come out, just like... Cal, he doesn't really have to say too much in his lyrics. It's just straight to the fricking point, and it's all relevant what we go on in today's life. It's all politics, and religion, and everything else. That's what he was singing about back then.

Vincent Price:
But anyways, yeah, I've been into music for forever. I still am. I still have the same passion.

Jeff:
Hell yeah you do. It's evident. It's evident. Anytime anybody gets a chance, which we can't right now, but anybody at time gets a chance to see Body Count live, it's evident that you're passionate about it. Also, with any of the recordings, including the brand new album, Carnivore. Which congratulations on a great release of that.

Vincent Price:
Thank you.

Jeff:
Hit the charts. I think I saw number four on the US hard album charts.

Vincent Price:
Really?

Jeff:
Yeah, and a ton of other stuff.

Vincent Price:
I had no idea.

Jeff:
Did really, really great. Such a solid record. As a fan of the band, I've got to say that I think it's such... The strength that you guys put into this record, musicality-wise is incredible, because-

Vincent Price:
Thanks.

Jeff:
... it really sounds like something coalescing from all of you right now in 2020, right? But it also sounds like... There are songs on this record that... Not the throwback songs, the newer songs. That if you were to say to me, "Yeah, that's a Body Count song from the '90s that you never heard," and I'd be like, "I believe you." I'd be like, "Yeah, yeah, that totally works." So it's like you guys married the roots of the band with musicality that you have now. I think it's just epic.

Vincent Price:
This band is way different from the Body Count of old.

Jeff:
Yeah, definitely.

Vincent Price:
Musically and all around. There's different influences now. I mean, now... I mean, Body Count started out as a band for Ernie to play guitar and Ice-T to perform, and for those guys just to start a band with their neighborhood friends, high school friends. So basically, Body Count was a garage band that was just basically starting out, and just trying to figure out different ways to do records. Nowadays, it's a little different. Now we take on a whole other demeanor. We still have Ernie, we still have Ice, but now we have to write songs for people to actually like the band.

Jeff:
You guys are doing a hell of a job on that. What I meant by that was is that I just think the intensity... When you start out... As any band starts out as a garage band, because every band, you start in that area. You've got this intensity, this fire that you've got to prove something. You're like, "We are a band. Listen to us," kind of thing. And have that intensity in the musicality of it. Even though, like you said, you guys are a completely different band than that band that started with Ernie and Ice in the garage, you still embody that intensity with this new record. It's just awesome.

Vincent Price:
Yeah. Well, I mean, the whole thing with me as far as being a member of the band, I always want to capitalize on what the band has already started, and make it better. Because every time... Even when I was in Prong for the short time while I was, basically, I studied everything there was. Because it's just like, "Here's this new guy. He's got a lot to prove." When you're stepping in somebody else's shoes, you have to be better. You can't be mediocre. You have to be better. Anything you do when you're stepping in somebody else's shoes, you're covering for them, you have to be better. Because there's always somebody better than you.

Jeff:
But it's a good mentality to have.

Vincent Price:
It's like with the band and the band's music... See, that's one thing about Body Count that people don't really realize is Body Count's not a band that has to play every day, that has to play every month, that has to play every year. That has to be in each other's faces all the time.

Vincent Price:
Like I said, Ice is an actor. I'm a guitar tech. We do Body Count as a hobby. We don't do it as a way to make money. When you're doing it as a way to make money, then there's a lot of pressure. Then you have to do it. We do it as a hobby, so it's fun every time we do it. I'm not with Ernie every day. I'm not with Juan every day. I'm not with Will every day. We don't get together every day. We don't play all these clubs. We don't have to do a US tour. When bands, they burn themselves out by doing those things. We get to look at it every day as every time we get together, every time we mention getting together, it's a fresh thing. It's like a reunion, so to speak. So everything is still always fresh. So it's like, "Well, we played this riff back then. Okay, we were heavy then. Okay, now we're older. We're just going to mellow out." No, hell no. We're just going to get heavier and heavier.

Jeff:
Yes. Yes. That's the way to be though. Yeah.

Vincent Price:
Because like I said, it's like when we're given the green light to... When we're not quarantined from this deal that's going on around us, we're going to be given the light and we're going to be like a kid in a candy store. We're going to be everywhere. That's how it is with Body Count. It's like, "Body Count. Okay, let's go."

Jeff:
Yes.

Vincent Price:
It's not, "Well, I don't know. I kind of don't have..." No. It's like when Body Count's mentioned, it's like, "Boom." It's, "We're ready to go." We're like a kid in a candy store. It's like, "Let's do it. What songs can we come up with?" It's like, "We're ready to do it." It's just when we get together, everything's fresh, so we don't get burnt out. That's why we can keep doing the things that we keep doing.

Jeff:
Speaking on that, on a record like Carnivore, I'm always curious with bands, especially you're talking about. You guys aren't in this for the money, you guys are in this to have a good time. As you put it, as a hobby. But it is evident that you guys really enjoy what you do.

Vincent Price:
Yeah.

Jeff:
What is that recording process like for this band? Is it everybody getting together, or is it kind of like piecemealed between everybody and then kind of fleshing it out in the room when you do get together? How does that kind of work for a record like Carnivore?

Vincent Price:
You have now the new Body Count. The new Body Count started out with Manslaughter. Okay? Our Manslaughter was basically Sepultura's Beneath the Remains. Okay? Then you got Bloodlust, which is basically our Sepultura's Arise. And you have Carnivore. This is before the record was even done. You have Carnivore, which is basically our Sepultura's Chaos A.D.

Vincent Price:
They're all different records. All totally completely different records. But the whole thing, it all started out with... Once we got introduced to Will Putney... Will Putney, he came in on Manslaughter. When we signed a deal with Sumerian, we need... Body Count's never really worked with a producer where somebody can come in, listen to your music, and just goes, "No, that's not good. I need better." I mean, you always need somebody to go in and make you better. So on Manslaughter, it was great. We learned about Will.

Vincent Price:
When it came to Bloodlust, and it was like, "All right, we learned a little better." So on Bloodlust, what we did, we had a bunch of people writing music, the band and we had some outside writers. On Bloodlust, we said, "Okay, well, Will..." He goes, "I'm going to come out there, and work with you guys." So Ernie, Juan, Will, myself, we all spent like two weeks in Arizona, in hot Arizona, in this place, writing a bunch of music. Then when we came to LA, Will is like, "I'm going to come to your place. You got a place."

Vincent Price:
Basically, Will Dorsey, Will Putney, myself, we would go in my back room, shedding out all these ideas and everything. It worked. So when it came to do the record, we recorded the record. I mean, then we were nominated for a fricking Grammy. We played at the Grammys.

Vincent Price:
Then we're in the process of doing the record. We did something, we did tours, we did everything. We were doing the Ozzfest, and then Ice, he goes, "What are we going to do at the top of this record?" As he's signing Bloodlust. I said, "Don't worry, I got it." So there's pressure there. Now I'm telling him, "Hey, we've got to top this record." I'm telling him, "Don't worry, I got it." It's like, "All right. Don't worry. Sure, I got it."

Vincent Price:
Basically, it was like one of those things, it's like, "What was the formula of Bloodlust?" Well, the formula was basically us getting a bunch of songs together, dissecting them, and just doing it up and just dissecting it and doing it, and making it better. We had outside writers as well on this record. We had so many different people write on this record. The whole band. We all wrote a bunch of songs. But when it came to us listening back and everything, we're like, "We need better." I mean, the only song we kept was Jamey Jasta's song, but everything else we scrapped, and we just started from scratch.

Jeff:
Wow.

Vincent Price:
Because it wasn't feeling right. The one thing we did, we went to Jersey this time around, because Will's from Jersey, so we stayed here. Basically, we said, "We'll write and record it in Jersey this time." So me, Will Dorsey went to Will Putney's studio, and we started doing some work.

Vincent Price:
Well, people really don't know, but Ice is a songwriter as well.

Jeff:
Heck yeah.

Vincent Price:
Okay? When we write music, he will come in and go, "No, I don't like that part," or, "You need to do this," or, "You need to change that," or, "You need to come up with a better part," or else he can't sing it. If it's not right, he can't sing it. So he does do a lot of the music writing. He would riff it out, or we would just riff it until it's there.

Jeff:
Wow.

Vincent Price:
We would do that, then bring the other guys in to put their guitar parts on and stuff like that. Then we mix it. I mean, it's done.

Vincent Price:
When I was making the references of the record, Manslaughter was our Sepultura's Beneath the Remains, and Bloodlust was our Sepultura's Arise, and Carnivore was basically our Sepultura's Chaos A.D. When I made those references, it was to the record label, because the record label was like, "Vince, what's the record like? What's the record like? What's the record like?" Because I couldn't tell them anything. I can't really tell them, "Hey, it's going to be killer." So I had to make those comparisons. Now that the record's done, I'm saying that Manslaughter was basically our Metallica's Kill 'Em All, and Bloodlust was our Metallica's Ride the Lightning, and Carnivore's basically our Metallica's Master of Puppets.

Jeff:
Yeah. It's so interesting to hear that all come together. You said the only song you kept from the first batch of songs you had was Another Level. I love that track off the record, featuring Jamey Jasta. You have a couple of other features on there too. Riley Gale from Power Trip and Amy Lee from Evanescence. When you guys are setting out to write a song-

Vincent Price:
Dave Lombardo's on there too.

Jeff:
Yeah, Dave Lombardo's on there. Yeah, you've got everybody on there. When you're setting out to write a song, do you attack a song thinking that there's going to be a guest, or does a guest like Jamey, or Riley, or Amy, or Dave Lombardo, do they come in after you guys have kind of started the skeleton of the song?

Vincent Price:
We already have the song completed-

Jeff:
Completed.

Vincent Price:
... before they come in.

Jeff:
I see, I see.

Vincent Price:
Yeah, the only song that... Actually, I had that... I was approached. That was Chino from the Deftones. I'm still working on that. I'm not giving up on that. So Chino, if you're listening, you better get ready. The whole thing was-

Jeff:
Yeah, Chino. Geez.

Vincent Price:
That was the heaviest song that we had. I was like, "Man, this has got to be Chino on this song." Mind you, all these collaborations, that's all label stuff. It's not the big man's idea. The next record, I don't think we're going to be doing that. I really don't. Because it's a headache more than anything. I mean, it's great that all these people... When the whole thing came up, I was so against it. Now I embrace it. But I was so against it, because it's like, "What, Body Count doesn't know how to write their own music?" I thought people were going to start saying stuff like that. But I learned to embrace it. But now on the next record, I really don't want to, because it's everybody's scheduling.

Jeff:
I'm sure it's tough, putting all those pieces together. It's hard enough when you've got a band and... You're a giant band as it is, with getting everybody's schedules together. And then you're adding extra parts into that. It's got to be crazy.

Vincent Price:
The one thing about it, it's a lot of work. But basically, yeah, all the songs are pretty much done. Then we're like, "Do we need a person for this song? This person would be good for this song." I mean, I still have all my notes of all these people that I was like, "That would be really good on certain songs." Even the label will also... Mike Gitter, he likes to just... Sends a whole list. I mean, he wanted Ghostemane on a song.

Jeff:
Wow.

Vincent Price:
He's always looking at all these different people to be on songs. But yeah.

Jeff:
But again, I can't say enough good things about Carnivore. I think it is your Chaos A.D. It is your Master of Puppets. It's an incredible fricking record.

Vincent Price:
Well, thanks.

Jeff:
That brings me to the theme of this show, really. We are all fueled by one thing. We all see that finish line. We're all going to die one day, unfortunately. Spoiler alert. But it's-

Vincent Price:
Yeah. It's not now.

Jeff:
Not now, but one day it's going to happen. But every single one of us, we're trying to leave this world a little different before we leave it for good. You're doing your part to do that. You're creating, you're out there working, you're doing the things that you love. What fuels you to keep doing that? What fuels you to keep writing, keep performing, keep teching? What fuels you to do that?

Vincent Price:
I don't know, man. It's a hard one. It's just you just love doing something. You can't quit.

Jeff:
Can't quit.

Vincent Price:
Probably, if I wasn't... No, I'm not going to say that. But I was going to say, if I wasn't doing this, I'd be doing drugs, but no. Everybody's got to have a drug. My drug is music. I can't say if I wouldn't be doing this, I would be doing drugs. I already did that already. I don't need to do that again. Waste of life. But no, my passion is music. I don't have any other. It keeps me young. It's my coffee when I can't have coffee.

Jeff:
I love it. I love it.

Vincent Price:
I mean, right now, I just got Will to the front room and then me and Oscar will start working on some music.

Jeff:
It's awesome. It's awesome. I mean, that is exactly the purest answer to something like that. Because it is. Because it's something you love. I mean, why not? Music is one of the greatest drugs out there. Everyone should be heavily addicted to it.

Vincent Price:
Yeah, yeah. If you're not... I mean, some people are addicted to sports. But I mean, I'm not going to be addicted to sports. I'm not going to cry if my team loses.

Jeff:
Yeah, it's true.

Vincent Price:
I want something that's going to keep me cheerful, keep me going. I don't want something that's going to bring me down. Music pretty much doesn't bring you down. If it does, you listen to something to bring you up.

Jeff:
Yes. Exactly, exactly. Body Count does that in spades for sure. I just got to say once again, I'm so thankful for the new record and for everything that Body Count's doing. Can't wait for you guys to get back on stage along with everybody else.

Vincent Price:
Yeah, we'll be out there.

Jeff:
I know you will. I can't-

Vincent Price:
I'm not sure exactly the post... If they reschedule, if it's still going to happen. But I want it to happen. I want it to be with the Cro-Mags. I want it to be with The End or whatever Will's band... Fit for an Autopsy. Whatever band. But I want it to be with Will's band. I still want to do Jimmy Fallon, which we were supposed to do. Jimmy Fallon was going to be with Will and Amy Lee doing When I'm Gone. So I still want to do that. I still want to do everything.

Jeff:
Yeah, I think you guys will. I think the world will come back to normalcy. Some of that normalcy is going to be with Body Count for sure.

Vincent Price:
I sure hope so.

Jeff:
Heck yeah. Heck yeah.

Vincent Price:
You said the record's at number four?

Jeff:
That's what I saw. I saw on one of the charts that it was the US hard album chart, I believe it was. It hit number four.

Vincent Price:
Wow.

Jeff:
Yeah, it was getting up there.

Vincent Price:
I had no idea.

Jeff:
Yeah. In fact, I think I saw Body Count actually share that.

Vincent Price:
You saw what?

Jeff:
I saw one of the band's socials share that, I think, is what I'm saying.

Vincent Price:
Somebody else doesn't have anything else better to do but post stuff.

Jeff:
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I-

Vincent Price:
I'm sure I know who that is. It's like, "Let's practice." "No, I want to post stuff."

Jeff:
We won't name names.

Vincent Price:
I'll name names. I don't care.

Jeff:
Well-

Vincent Price:
Ernie, if you're out there listening, stop posting stuff and let's rehearse.

Jeff:
I was going to... Letting that happen. All right. We called Ernie out. Listen, Vincent, I can't thank you enough for taking time and talking with me. It was-

Vincent Price:
You got it.

Jeff:
... really great to talk with you. Even though the world's strange, it's still great to know that Body Count's in it.

Vincent Price:
Yeah. I just want everybody to know, hey, just be safe, be with your loved ones, and just be safe out there. We're all going to get through this. We're strong. We're Americans. We're Americans not can'ts.

Jeff:
Yes.

Vincent Price:
If that makes any sense. It just came off the tip of my fricking tongue.

Jeff:
I love it.

Vincent Price:
But yeah, we're Americans, not American'ts.

Jeff:
Yeah. I love it. I love it. That's actually-

Vincent Price:
Yeah. Everybody, just be safe.

Jeff:
Awesome, awesome. You too.