"I can provide the process of letting you know that we're never truly alone. Our loved ones are always here with us. Even though they may not be here physically they are here with us in our memory, spiritually, and in our hearts." Tiffany Rice, Spirit Medium
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Tiffany Riceis a bridge between the living and the dead. We bring the spirit medium back to the Lizzie Borden House and Museum — the infamous location for two brutal unsolved murders — to talk about her first-ever paranormal connection. Hear her inspiring story and decide for yourself if ghosts are real.
Jeff: I want to get your take on this, because you are connected to the spot that we're in which is the Lizzie Borden House, which is now a museum and a bed and breakfast which is incredible. How did you become connected to this house?
Tiffany: Well, it was back in 2008 I believe. I've always been into the paranormal, so when I started doing my medium work I was really involved with hanging around people that liked to go and see things go bump in the middle of the night. So we decided to come here, which is the Lizzie Borden Bed and Breakfast in Fall River, Massachusetts, and this was my very first paranormal investigation and it was my first paranormal experience as far as being able to stay in a historically haunted location.
Jeff: So the first paranormal experience you ever had was at this location, and you actually stayed the night here when you did that?
Tiffany: We spent the night. Yes. It was a group of us that spent the night and we were able to, for me when I talk about a paranormal experience, it basically was me being able to connect to spirit.
Jeff: That first experience were you able to connect?
Tiffany: Yes, and so it's funny because the very first place I was able to connect was actually in the basement. So you would think, "Oh, well it must be in the room where the murders took place, or maybe it's in Lizzie's room." No, it was in the basement, so I was totally confused because I thought I would've experienced something someplace else, but I had actually picked up the sensation of two children in spirit in the basement.
Jeff: Were there children that ever lived here?
Tiffany: From what I'm told, children didn't live here but there was a story of someone that was connected to Lizzie. I don't know if it was her cousin, but unfortunately she had drowned two of her children.
Jeff: Oh my goodness.
Tiffany: So I feel like I was picking up on the children that were unfortunately that were drowned.
Jeff: But that wouldn't have been in this house. That would've been in this area.
Tiffany: In the area.
Jeff: Because the Bordens, the entire family was very prominent in this area.
Tiffany: Huge. Huge. Absolutely. I mean everywhere you go in this town there's Borden Street. There's mills named after Borden. Andrew Borden was Lizzie's dad, so it was a huge prominent family and connected to a lot of higher ups everywhere around the city of Fall River.
Jeff: Wow. Now we're going to walk it all the way back, but I want to take a little bit of a baby step. This is your first paranormal experience. Did you pick this place? Did you feel a connection to this place before even coming here, or was it kind of like a group idea to do it here?
Tiffany: Honestly, it was a group idea. In all honesty a group idea, and it was curiosity, and it had such a legend to it. Growing up you hear the rhymes of the-
Jeff: Used to say it on the playground all the time.
Tiffany: Exactly, so you hear the rhymes and you learn about it in history. This happened to be the second photographed murder in history, so there's just so much behind it, and then don't forget we have movies about it. We have documentaries about it. So it's everywhere, so if you're already interested in the paranormal, coming here is something that you need to do. It's something that you need to experience, or even if you're just really interested in history. I recommend coming here because even the city of Fall River has so much history behind it. I mean we just traveled up to Maplecroft, know as the Hill section of the city with these just beautiful Victorian homes. So coming back to your question, coming to Lizzie's house where everything happened back in 1892 was definitely a marker on my list and it was something that needed to happen, so as a group collectively we took it upon ourselves and we rented the bed and breakfast for the night.
Jeff: Wow. That's so cool, and you mentioned it. This area, not only this area but I think Massachusetts in general as a state has a lot of supernatural energy to it, just because of the age of the state. Because of so much of our country's history has happened here. So many different things have happened here, but also, where we're sitting right now, unfortunately one of the most horrific murders on record, and also unsolved, happened here, and to come here your first time to feel that connection, but also feel a connection not necessarily to what transpired here. Later on in your time here, have you felt that connection to either Abigail or Andrew or Lizzie yourself?
Tiffany: Well, yes. If you do the, and I don't even want to say anything because I know you haven't taken the tour yet.
Jeff: I have not.
Tiffany: So I don't even want to say too much because I don't want to give up anything, but I will tell you that if you, just because the best piece of equipment that you can actually carry. You know, you watch all these ghost shows and they have the EMF detector and the K2 meter and all that stuff.
Jeff: The thing that beeps?
Tiffany: Yes, yes.
Jeff: Like, what the heck is that?
Tiffany: The best piece of equipment is yourself and how you feel, so it really goes into really trusting your intuition. Trusting that gut. Your gut is always going to tell you like, "Mm, kind of feel funny," or, "This feels okay." So the reason why I'm saying that. When you go through some of these rooms at this location, you will feel a certain sensation where you might not feel that great, but I don't want to tell you which room it is. Because it seems to be whenever I come here, whenever I go in this particular room I always feel kind of funny.
Tiffany: Like as if something's not right. Now, since I've been here so frequently, I host a lot of my gallery events here. I feel like I do have a solid connection with Lizzie. We have a lot of things, as funny as it sounds, but we have a lot of things in common and we have that respect for each other so I've never come into anything that has really made me want to run and scream out of this house.
Jeff: Wow. And I mean, this is a completely arbitrary question but we are talking about the events that transpired here, the unsolved murder, and you do have a connection not only to Lizzie but this house and the environment that it's in. In your honest opinion, do you think Lizzie was wrongly accused? I know that's a weighted question.
Tiffany: It is a weighted question. I feel that there's a lot of information that wasn't released to the public, and if you really start doing your research on the case you'll learn and I think sometimes if you think that Lizzie did it you might end up seeing it in a different perspective once you start doing more research.
Jeff: Yeah, and I encourage anyone who's listening to this podcast to research the murders, because it was so interesting even myself doing it and learning about the timeframe of police work at that time. The timeframe of how people were put on trial, how murder was dealt with. How if it was a man who had done it or a woman who had done it, how they're dealt with, and this community was a huge character in that entire murder as well because like we had mentioned, the Bordens were very prominent here, but there were multiple families that were very prominent here and it seemed like this community really took care of their own.
Tiffany: 100%. 100%.
Jeff: It's interesting to me that that's kind of what transpired, and I think unfortunately now we're almost 128 years later from the murders, and we'll never know that answer. We'll never know the true answer. I think the right idea was made from the courts, because there wasn't enough evidence to convict her, and whether or not she did it or not, and I just think it's an interesting time. It's an interesting time in American history, and also in police proceeding and murder proceeding to really research that. Because like you said, the second time we ever photographed a crime scene, a murder scene.
Tiffany: Yeah, absolutely.
Jeff: It's crazy. It's crazy.
Tiffany: And you look at it now. Murder and crime and it's so publicized now. Whether you're hearing these stories through social media even, or they have a channel. It's one of my favorite channels.
Jeff: I know. It sucks you in.
Tiffany: It does. It sucks you in, and I know all these stories now, but they have a channel that you can just go and watch and it just depicts all these different crime scenes and how they got through the process of finding the evidence, so you're right. If this had happened in 2020 as opposed to 1892, absolutely we would have some solid answers.
Jeff: 100%. 100%. That's why I think this is such an interesting thing, and it's so incredible to be here. Especially with you.
Tiffany: Thank you.
Jeff: And I want to know, before you got into coming to a place like this and connecting to the paranormal, were you always interested in the paranormal?
Tiffany: Loved it. Yeah.
Jeff: Even as a young kid?
Tiffany: I have been. Ouija boards.
Jeff: Yeah. Oh yeah.
Tiffany: Always interested in that. I actually used to play. My neighbor and I, when we were little we'd play with the Ouija board and we'd call it Ouija land and all that good stuff, but the reality with the Ouija board is that it's just a game. It's just a game, so when we talk about like it really didn't start to have that bad vibe to it until it hit Hollywood.
Jeff: True. Very true. I didn't think about it like that.
Tiffany: Yeah. Originally it was marketed as a dating game, because you put the board on your knees and you have the person across from you. Your knees touch, and you ask questions, but then it wasn't until it hit Hollywood where it really started to kick off some negative vibes.
Jeff: Oh, interesting.
Tiffany: Yeah, and if you really want to connect with spirit you don't need a board game.
Jeff: That's right.
Tiffany: You can connect just, again, I talk about your body being your best piece of equipment. Going with your gut and learning what your intuition tells you. That's how you able to connect with spirit.
Jeff: You were interested in the paranormal. You were interested in this. When did you first feel like you had a connection to it?
Tiffany: I'm just going to say with connection with spirit first before we start with the paranormal, because I get asked that question a lot. I always had a sense of knowing. Even growing up I would have a connection of thinking, talking to someone, and all of a sudden I'd start seeing things behind them. And I thought, "Okay, Tiff, I have bad ADD. Just stay focused. Stay focused." But what I didn't realize is that it was actually spirit trying to communicate, so I started to work on, I became a reiki master in 2008, which is Japanese. It's energy healing, so I did that and then I started doing meditation. Now, all while I'm learning to hone in on my ability, I'm also starting to dabble a little bit more in the paranormal. And when I say dabble it's not anything crazy. It's just, oh, I like the ghost shows. Okay. I want to talk about going to Waverly Hills Sanitarium.
Jeff: Of course.
Tiffany: I want to do that. That's interesting to me, but again, I always had a sense that that was more out there than what we see in front of us. So after I did that, as far as becoming a reiki master and starting to meditate more, I started to give readings and I did that by taking a class and in the class, that's what they told me to do. They're like, "Alright, we're going to pair you up and you're going to give somebody a reading," so I would look at the person, and they said, "Just tell me straight out what's the first thing you see?" So literally my first reading was, "Red truck. '77. Louis." I'll never forget it, and the girl in front of me started crying.
Jeff: Oh my gosh.
Tiffany: I'm like, "What? What? What? What? I'm sorry. What did I say?" And she said, "That's my uncle. What's he saying?" And I'm like, "I don't know. I don't know what he's saying. I'm just telling you what I see. I don't know." I had to kind of fine tune it. I had to start the interview process. The reason why I'm telling you this is because it connects to the paranormal, so I started to do more of that and as I started to do more of that, I start to talk about it. Once I started to talk about it, people would start opening up to me and tell me about their home being haunted, or a personal paranormal experience that they've had, so then I didn't start the group but I got asked to join a paranormal group, and in the paranormal group we would just go to homes, residential cases, and just see if we could catch anything. I would do a reading on the home, and my friends had the equipment so we would just go to residential cases, and then that's what led us here to Lizzie's.
Jeff: When did it become apparent to you that you wanted to pursue the idea of a spirit medium? Was it because you took the class and you kind of found that that connection was stronger than you thought, or was it because it was just a normal path to go from where you were at?
Tiffany: It made me happy.
Tiffany: It made me happy, because I knew that there was more out there, and when I started to do the readings it clicked so naturally for me that I just wanted to do it more and more, so I went through the ringer of reading all my friends and then trying to read my family, and then from that point on I started to get referrals and it started to grow more and more. So that's how I knew that this is what I needed to do. It wasn't just, oh, I'll do one every once a month. It was it started to get to the point where I was working a full-time job and I had to make that decision on whether to stop working full-time and start being a spirit medium full-time.
Jeff: Wow. Was that scary?
Tiffany: It was scary, but I always thought, "You know what? If it doesn't work out I can just find another job," and so it's been seven years since I've been doing this full-time, and it was because I had so many referrals and people contacting me over and over again, so it wasn't just like someone would see me once. They would see me. They would tell their friends, and then say six months later they would contact me again and say, "You know what? I want to do another reading." Because it provides comfort. I know I can't bring your loved ones here physically. Your ones in spirit. I can't bring them here physically, but if I can provide you with validation and messages and letting you know, like I always say. We're never truly alone, so if I can provide you with that comfort, that's what I'm here to do.
Jeff: That's so inspiring, and then that leads me into, you brought it up with the Ouija board. It switched when it became into popular culture and Hollywood and for lack of a better term, bastardized in that respect, and I feel like for someone who is not maybe into the paranormal, or at least not familiar with the term "spirit medium," I feel like Hollywood's done that the same way. In fact one of my favorite examples is Poltergeist when she kept, "This house is clear," you know?
Jeff: And I mean it's a fun, obviously romanticized way of putting that out there. It works in the movie sense, but that's not you. What would you say is the most ill-conceived notion of what you do? Like of what people perceive you to do as opposed to what you actually do.
Tiffany: It's the stereotype. It's a stereotype, so I've gone to locations where people have said, "Oh, what are the lottery numbers? Ha ha ha," or, "Where's your cloak? Where's your crystal ball? Why don't you wear more makeup?" They just have these preconceived notions, and it's just like you said. Like the Ouija board. People think, "Oh, don't touch the Ouija board." So I'm constantly put on display so to speak to other people's perception of me, so I just tell them, "I'm not here to prove myself to you. I'm just here to tell you what I'm being told, and I'm someone who communicates with your loved ones in spirit." I communicate with friends, family, pets come through too, so I'm not someone that's going to tell you your fortune. I'm not going to cast spells on you.
Tiffany: I practice with love and light, so there's nothing that's negative about what it is that I do, and so I don't go to people. People will come to me, and usually it's people that are maybe they just had a recent loss, someone that has passed. It could be because they want to find that comfort of just knowing that their loved one's here with them. So it's all love and light, and I want it to be something as a positive experience that's comforting and not something where someone's going to want to be upset and cry or expect for me to tell them any bad karma that's going to happen to them or anything, because that's not what it's about.
Jeff: Right, and that's truly inspiring when you say people come to you for this, because they're looking for closure or they're looking for the connection or they're looking for you to bring some happiness, some love and light into them as well, and I think that's been lost on people too not only from a Hollywood perspective but I mean even a decade or two decades ago it was a big television thing, with many spirit mediums. John Edwards was one.
Tiffany: Yeah, John Edwards. James Van Praagh. I've never seen them personally but I've heard they're amazing, but they really started to break the ice for everybody.
Jeff: Yeah. I feel like that's almost not as important as what you're bringing into the world, because with something like that, like it's a television show, they're not inviting people to come to them. I mean, sure, people are coming to the taping of the show, but I'm not. I'm just putting on the channel, and it's in my living room and I'm believing it or not, and I have my doubts or I have my feelings about whatever that is because I didn't invite that in, whereas I think you are providing much more of an important service to the people who are coming to you.
Tiffany: Thank you.
Tiffany: Thank you.
Jeff: I think that is the way that it should be. I mean, I agree that it should be something that can be celebrated more and more in the public consciousness, but I don't think it needs to be invasive.
Tiffany: Exactly. Exactly, and it really is up to people, so I'm glad that you brought that up because when you see some of the mediums on TV you'll see them do a large gallery reading. A big gallery reading with hundreds and hundreds of people. So I always say if you're interested in a medium but you're unsure, go to a gallery reading. Check it out. See what it's all about, and if someone comes to you, then that's great. But if somebody doesn't, that's okay too. You're just there to see what it's all about. If you're really interested about, "Maybe I might get a message," then go to a small group reading or small gallery reading. I know for me I always do a 20-person gallery reading. More importantly if you're really looking to hear from someone, get a private reading. A one-on-one reading. That way there's no other distraction. There's no other spirits. It's just you and the reader and your loved ones, and one thing that I want to say is, do your research.
Tiffany: Just like anything you would do in life. If you were going to invest anything as far as something that will provide you comfort, make sure the person has a website. Make sure that they're known. Now I mean social media is everything now these days, so see if they have a social media account. See if there's testimonial. See if your friends or your family members have gone to this person. You always want to do your research on who it is that you're going to, because just like everything else out there, they can come as a dime a dozen.
Jeff: Yeah, and that leads me into some questions I've had about exactly what you do, and you were talking about doing gallery readings. From your side, from your perspective, obviously a one-on-one you've got your whole focus on that person and the loved ones that you are also connecting with. In a gallery setting, even with just 20 people, is it hard to hone that focus? I hate to sound like a novice, but are you haunted in that situation by so much happening? Or is it kind of like a muscle that you can flex and hone in on where your focusing on, in a gallery kind of setting?
Tiffany: I hone in on it.
Jeff: You do?
Tiffany: I hone in, but it's also because I have been doing it for quite some time so it's easy for me to just focus and say, "Okay, this is who I have coming through for you," and then I can move on to the next person. Now, I will say sometimes, because it is almost like standing in the middle of New York where you can just hear a bunch of people talking all at once, so it can be difficult at times but mostly for me it's easy for me to just hone in, but on occasion I do get them piggybacking on each other.
Jeff: Wow, but I'm so interested in what you do and when you're connecting with someone's loved one or a spirit, or even an animal, is it always a positive experience for you? Or have you encountered negative experiences in that?
Tiffany: Well I always set my intentions for love and light like I mentioned before, but I am basically the messenger so when I give information, I always give information for your highest and greatest good. Now, how some of the information is perceived is another story, so I will relay the message for that person's highest and greatest good, but they may not perceive it that way. So I would say in 99.9% it's always a very positive and comforting experience. Have I come across where there has been information given that was given in front of people that people ... Like, have I blown surprises? Yep, I have. And actually it's not a bad thing, but have I blown surprise 50th birthday parties? Yep. Have I blown pregnancies? Yep. And that's what I tell people too. I'm like, "Just so you know, everything's going to come out. There's no beating around the bush. It's just spirit is very direct, so I'm just letting you know so there's no secrets."
Jeff: So by setting your intention, you're then not connecting with a negative spirit then.
Jeff: That's interesting, because I didn't know if it was just you were trying to connect and then whatever, like for example if I wanted to connect with my great grandmother who I barely knew, but she's mad because I didn't know her that much. I didn't know if that was something that, but because you're setting your intention, that connection would be much more of a positive.
Tiffany: And that's just something personally I do. I mean, you might go to another medium. They may not set their intention. They may just say, "Okay, whoever's going to come through can come through." I personally like to, if I have time to do a meditation before a group reading I will, but I can't promise you that I do it all the time, but I'll do either a meditation and then of course I always set my intentions for my highest and greatest good so I can have that connection to spirit.
Jeff: Have you ever done a reading let's say that started out one way and took a left turn, or have you ever experienced in your work something that was singular that you've never experienced before or since?
Tiffany: Yes. Yes, I have. I just thought as you're telling me, because I'm trying to think. I'm like, what's a story I can tell? What is it? I'm trying to go through because I'm like, well, is he going to ask me where I've had the craziest experience as far as a reading? Like I've done readings in bathrooms before when I first started, but anyway, so yes. I was doing one of my small gallery readings of 20 people, and it was the last reading. This was one of my readings where I read everybody, so it was this one person left and I had said to her. I'm like, "Alright." I started to bring through a male energy, and it was a father figure and she's like, "I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it's me, but I drove all this way," so now I'm like, "Oh my gosh." Now I'm feeling guilty, like I don't know what to say. Anyways, it turns out, and this is kind of where we talked about this a little bit. How sometimes spirits piggyback on each other.
Tiffany: Earlier on in that night I had given somebody a reading and it was her grandmother that was coming through and she's bringing up all of this information. So her granddaughter was here for the reading, and I was telling her information about how she started to do a ton of research on her family history, and so her grandmother was so proud of her for doing that. So that was earlier on in the night, and so as I'm giving this woman, the last woman in the group a reading, I'm getting this male energy and she's like, "I don't know. I don't know." And she's really hesitant on like, "Don't know." Like she wasn't being helpful in the sense of, "Oh, maybe," or anything. She was just like, "I don't know."
Tiffany: And then finally I felt the connection between that girl that I had given a reading to, and I said, "Well, okay, so he wants me to continue on with this. I know it doesn't really make sense to you, but I want you to know that he's telling me it's a very similar situation with that girl. Like you just did a ton of family research, and he's saying, 'I'm dad. I'm your dad. I'm your dad.'" And she looked at me and she had this surreal expression on her face, and her eyes started to well up and of course I'm there for her because this happens. It's very normal for people to get emotional during a gallery reading, and she said, "Two nights ago I found out that my dad wasn't my dad."
Jeff: My gosh.
Tiffany: And so the male that I was connecting with was the male that she was doing research on who she never met, and that's how it turned out. Like her dad wasn't her dad, and the male that was coming through was her biological father.
Jeff: So it kind of confirmed her suspicion that this was her real biological father.
Tiffany: And just for the record, it wasn't like, "Oh, male energy," and that was it. It was like I had given more information. Right. Like, oh wow, that's it. But yeah, that was something that was extremely jaw-dropping. Everybody in the room, we were just like, "What?" And yeah, so as far as a reading going one way and going a complete nother direction, I would say that would be somewhat of an experience, and that just happened a few months ago actually.
Jeff: That's incredible, and when you're done either with just a one-on-one or with a gallery reading, does this take a toll on you?
Tiffany: It's exhausting. It's literally like running a marathon in your mind. Because imagine taking a test for a couple hours and just focusing, focusing, focusing. That's what I'm doing, so when I'm giving somebody a reading I'm focusing on all the information that they're giving me, and I also ask questions so there's an interview process. When I say that, it's not that I'm asking the person that's coming to me for a reading. I'm asking your spirits the questions, so I'll say, "Okay, can you show me how you passed? Can you give me a name that's associated with you? Can you give me a month that's associated?" So I'll ask questions so I can get that answer if they're not just voluntarily giving it to me. So for me to do that, and then of course when I have somebody sitting across from me saying, "Nope, nope, nope," I'm like, "Alright, dig deeper. Let's dig deeper." So that's when I have to focus more and say, "Okay, I really need some validation here. I need to be able to give them something. Some sort of information where they have that aha moment."
Jeff: Wow. That's incredible. How much do you do this in a year would you say? Can you quantify it? Because I know you have your own space that you do readings out of, correct?
Tiffany: Yes. Yep.
Jeff: Then you also do galleries.
Tiffany: I do galleries.
Jeff: Like in here, in the Lizzie Borden House.
Tiffany: Yep. I do travel.
Jeff: Do you know how many readings you would give in a year?
Tiffany: I do. I do keep track of all of them.
Jeff: Yeah. Well I'm sure, for bookkeeping reasons.
Tiffany: Yeah, for tax purposes. Womp womp. Right?
Tiffany: Being self-employed. What a way. But I do keep track of them. I would say hundreds to thousands, depending on ... I mean definitely thousands as far as people, because if you say like I've done one of my bigger gallery readings is I work with a radio station in Massachusetts a lot and they'll host it and usually it's around 150 people, so in that big gallery-style reading again, I'm getting to 20+ people and I do those frequently too. So yeah, I would definitely say as far as person to person I'd say in the thousands.
Jeff: You do travel a lot. You do, and I'm sure that's easy if someone wants to come to you, you can come to them.
Tiffany: Right, right. Phone readings. Yep.
Jeff: And that kind of thing, but like I mentioned, you have your own shop, right?
Tiffany: Yes, July 2017 I opened up my own shop in Bridgewater, Massachusetts and there we can do yoga. We do meditation. I do my private readings and gallery readings. We have someone who does hypnosis, past life regression, life coaching, reiki, all of that good stuff and basically it's not a retail shop where you can just go in and say, "I want a reading." It's usually by appointment only, unless it's the yoga classes but it's just a shop that offers all different modalities of holistic healing. It's The Shop at 200 Elm.
Jeff: The Shop at 200 Elm.
Jeff: That's awesome. You know, we talk so much on this actual podcast about how no matter what you do in this life, no matter who you are in this life, we're all fueled by one thing. We are all fueled by the finish line. Death is inevitable. Spoiler alert, everybody. But because we know that death is inevitable and it can happen in five minutes from now or it can happen in 50 years from now. Whenever it happens, it's there. Then we want to do whatever we can to leave this world a little different before we leave it for good, and you're helping people bridge that even beyond that. You're bringing something into people's lives to like I said, give them closure, give them some sort of connection, give them what they're looking for after that finish line has been.
Tiffany: Yeah. I mean, let's talk about death.
Tiffany: Let's just talk about it. I mean, you're right. It's inevitable. It happens all the time. It's going to happen to you. It's going to happen to me. It's going to happen to everybody. Right? But you know, sometimes we forget about the people that are here and the people that have someone that's passed where it was a sudden passing and they didn't have that opportunity to say goodbye. That happens so much, and even for the ones that were there where they watched their loved one pass, or I mean, I held my dog when she passed in my arms.
Tiffany: So you go through these traumatic experiences and I find it very difficult to just quickly forget about the grief process and move on, so being a medium, am I someone that can take the place of a therapist or a counselor or someone of that nature? No. But if I can add that additional help, if I can provide the gap, if I can provide the process of letting you know that we're never truly alone. Our loved ones are always here with us. Even though they may not be here physically they are here with us in our memory, spiritually, and in our hearts.
Jeff: That's so great, and I don't even have to ask it because normally I would ask what fuels your passion, but I know what it is. It is your passion.
Tiffany: This is it. Yeah, this is it.
Jeff: And that is so inspiring. Before we get to the end here I do have just a question that I wanted to ask, just to pick your brain, someone who is connected to the spirit, connected to the supernatural. For someone who is not, and might have their own opinions about what a spirit is, what ghosts are, I love how you say we're never alone. Our loved ones are with us always, and that's beautiful and I love that, but what would you say to people who either believe or don't believe in the, let's go back to the Hollywood-ized version of a ghost, or a poltergeist, or the thing that can look like a floating sheet in the middle of your room or knock your dishes off the counter and screw with you. Do you believe in that as well?
Tiffany: Yes. I do. I do.
Jeff: So it's all connected.
Tiffany: Yes. Even when people come to me for readings, a lot of times I will get information of paranormal activity, and it's their dad that passed away. They will show signs. Signs are huge, so whether they're connecting through, I always say spirit animals. Well, spirits connect with animals, and the popular ones tend to be butterflies, dragonflies, cardinals.
Tiffany: Ladybugs, hawks are big. So it's not like you're loved ones reincarnated as that. It's just their way of saying, "Hey, here I am." Pennies and dimes from heaven. Same thing. You may find a penny consistently and you're thinking, "Huh, that's kind of funny." You may have dreams of your loved ones. If you had a dream of your loved one, I bet you a million dollars that you would be able to tell me exactly what that dream was about. Maybe your loved one wasn't talking. Maybe all you could hear was their voice. But you will remember that dream, and that's the difference between a dream and a visit, so it's your loved ones visiting you. So when we talk about paranormal, paranormal doesn't have to be scary. Paranormal can just be signs from your loved ones in spirit just letting you know that they're here with you.
Jeff: Wow. Again, going back to your intention and your inspirational message towards this, the love and light and all that stuff. The other side of that is the scary. Does that exist in all this too? Are there benevolent spirits and things that go bump in the night?
Tiffany: Yes. Yes.
Jeff: That's a thing too? That's terrifying.
Tiffany: But it's what fuels the whole, like those ghost shows that you see and all of that stuff, so one thing that I will say is that you have to be the ruler of your domain. You have to say, "Okay, this is my home. This is my home where my family eats and sleeps and relaxes. You cannot be here." It's okay to state your intention. If that doesn't work I recommend sage. You can go to any holistic store. There's holistic stores everywhere. If you go get sage, what sage does is it actually clears all energy, so if you get sage you want to make sure you light the sage, have something underneath it so the ashes don't fall onto the ground, and walk around the house going through every nook and cranny everywhere to release and clear that energy. Those are just a couple little things that you can do, if you feel like you have an unwanted visitor at your house. Because it may not be a family member. I mean one of the most active houses that I went to was only six years old, but it was the land it was on.
Jeff: Oh, ancient burial ground?
Tiffany: Yeah, you know.
Jeff: As had to happen.
Tiffany: Something that like the Poltergeist movies are based on. But ultimately, yeah. Just like as you have good people here and bad people here, right?
Tiffany: So their spirit, there's good people and bad people, you know?
Jeff: Well I'm a big believer in energy. That's why I'm so interested in supernatural. That's why I'm so interested in what you do and the connection to the spirit, because I am a big believer in energy. Like, we as who we are spend a lot of energy living our lives, whether it's for like I said five minutes or 50 years. We're expending a lot of energy, and science dictates energy, it cannot be created or destroyed. It just goes.
Tiffany: It just goes. It just goes.
Jeff: It just goes and goes, so when you're dead, that energy's got to go somewhere, so I do believe in that kind of thing, and I also think of large battlefields where there's tons of horrific-
Tiffany: Gettysburg. Yep.
Jeff: Yeah, tons of horrific death, or, where we happen to be sitting right now in Lizzie Borden's house where unfortunately her father and stepmother were brutally murdered with an axe. I feel like that type of energy lingers because it's like taking an energy and putting it in a soda bottle and shaking it up a lot and it just has nowhere to go, and to me I feel like it has to adhere itself to something. Is that kind of what you kind of are talking about as well? Does energy, like if my house is haunted, is it because the energy is connected to the physical realm in that way, or if my table is moving it's because there's energy connected to that?
Tiffany: That very well could be. I mean, I would say you're right. Obviously energy is neither created nor destroyed, so it goes someplace.
Jeff: Has to.
Tiffany: It does. It does, and I believe that there's another parallel universe out there, whether you believe in heaven or not. I like to believe in heaven. I do, but I feel like that's where they are. That's where they go, and because I connect it doesn't mean that they're in a state of panic or, "Go get help." You know? "Get Tommy. Save me." Whatever. You know, like Lassie. That's what I was thinking, but anyways, so you know, it doesn't have to be that way. It could just be because they're just connecting. So even though there might be something going back to the haunted house idea, if something happens where the light bulbs always flash and you have an electrician that comes in all the time and he says, "There's nothing wrong. I can't figure it out," so you've determined it has to be paranormal, it may not. It just might be because they're looking to get your attention. Just acknowledgement.
Jeff: That's interesting.
Tiffany: So try to acknowledge. Setting the boundaries.
Jeff: Your story is so inspiring and I think that it's amazing that you are doing something that is bringing so much love and light into the world.
Tiffany: Thank you.
Jeff: And I think that that's needed in the state of the world that we live in today, and especially from the side of where we all have someone we miss. We all have people we wish we could've connected with before they passed on, and to have someone like you to be able to help us do that I think is, it's awesome.
Tiffany: Thank you.
Jeff: And it's inspiring that you love it and you're so passionate about it.
Tiffany: Thank you.
Jeff: So for anybody listening to this, what is the best way to follow your journey or possibly connect with you? Any social media you want us to shout out or I know you do have a website as well?
Tiffany: Yes, yes. I would love for you guys to check me out, follow me. TiffanyRice.com is my website.
Jeff: Super easy.
Tiffany: Spirit Medium Tiffany on Facebook. SpiritTiff on Instagram and SpiritTiff on Twitter.
Jeff: Excellent, excellent. Tiffany, I can't thank you enough for sitting down and talking with me. I just want all the listeners to know that I have only been in this house, this Lizzie Borden murder house, for barely five minutes before we sat down and I feel a lot more comfortable now that I had this conversation.
Tiffany: Yeah, we're all connected. We're all connected.
Jeff: I've had this conversation with you, and I'm so excited to have known you.
Tiffany: I'm so happy that we were able to connect and meet here at Lizzie's house.